JS Mill, free speech, and creationism/global warming

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Ramo
They do, to at least some extent (i.e. to the extent that there exists a rough academic consensus). Didn't they teach econ at your high school?

Not the way they taught biology. You're allowed to disagree...

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe


When did you go to HS, 1896?

Your grade ten teachers taught you relativity?

[Ramo]

Commensurately with the uncertainty in the academic community.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
@Kuci: I don't believe you addressed the end-of-education point. If we're to have education, someone has to decide what is taught, since there's no possibility of teaching all views. Should, therefore, public education be abolished? If not, what makes creationism more worthy of being taught than that America has founded by Chuck Norris and the Gay Girl Guides?

If anything, sincerity. And the fact that by denying it we may be causing much deeper harm to scientific debate and the educational system than the comparatively minor harm of many non-scientists disagreeing with the academic consensus.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Your grade ten teachers taught you relativity?

I took physics in grade 11, but yes

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Not the way they taught biology. You're allowed to disagree...

There's a lot more disagreement among experts in econ than among experts in biology.

Education should reflect this.

[Last Conformist]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Why can't this be applied to politics, too?

Dunno, my teachers were pretty explicit that Nazism is bad ...

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


I took physics in grade 11, but yes

And did they also teach you that GR is fundamentally incompatible with QFT, and why this is so?

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Your grade ten teachers taught you relativity?

Nope but they did tell us that everything they were teaching us broke down at relativistic speeds. So we weren't taught it as cannon and law.

Edit scratch that in afterschool geekery our physics teacher laid out the derivations. Not part of the curriculum tho'.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Last Conformist
Dunno, my teachers were pretty explicit that Nazism is bad ...

You live in Europe, therefore you don't count.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
And did they also teach you that GR is fundamentally incompatible with QFT, and why this is so?

They taught us that these were all approximations. In fact, my teacher was pretty emphatic on that point.

[Nostromo]

So, Kuci, you propose to amend the first amendment? Or you propose to show that creationnism or intelligent design isn't a religious viewpoint, that its actually a scientific viewpoint? Or are you saying that science is an ideology just like any other one and that we should separate science and State, the same way we separated Church and State, like Feyerabend suggested?

[Arrian]

I totally zoned out in Physics class (11th or 12th grade, I forget). I was generally a good student, but by the time I got to Calc and Physics, I'd had it with math.

-Arrian

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe



Nope but they did tell us that everything they were teaching us broke down at relativistic speeds. So we weren't taught it as cannon and law.

Now, I'll admit that we probably got that much too. But it was a throwaway example. Even in undergraduate physics classes I was taught stuff which I later learned was viewed as an approximation by current researchers.

That's fine with me. My teachers were attempting to get me to understand a less-complicated view before I was able to learn a more-complicated view...

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by nostromo
So, Kuci, you propose to amend the first amendment?

WTF?

Or you propose to show that creationnism or intelligent design isn't a religious viewpoint, that its actually a scientific viewpoint?

It's both IMO.

Or are you saying that science is an ideology just like any other one and that we should separate science and State, the same way we separated Church and State, like Feyerabend suggested?

I have no idea who Feyerabend is. I don't have an answer.