Pickton - Murderer of 49 women ("Was gonna do 1 more - make it an even 50")

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
a) Saddam is not a common murderer, and is able to stir up more trouble than a common murderer

Is there somesort of threshold of trouble a person can cause before you consider them worthy of death?

b) Iraq's prisons are not secure (both against direct attack and against future political maneuvering)

Wouldn't this be an arguement for shipping him off to somewhere in Europe to serve his time rather than executing him?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

Sophistry, as both of us are comparing values to come to a conclusion that a death penalty is warranted.

No, because in your case the first judgment renders the comparison unnecessary. The death is good in itself.

More sophistry.

Do you know what rhetoric is?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Is there somesort of threshold of trouble a person can cause before you consider them worthy of death?

Of course.

Wouldn't this be an arguement for shipping him off to somewhere in Europe to serve his time rather than executing him?

Not unless you were willing to ship every common murderer, rapist, kidnapper, etc. Saddam was not worthy of greater effort simply because he was famous.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


More sophistry.

Do you know what rhetoric is?

Do you understand what a significant point is?

[Asher]

I agree with KH now.

nye loses.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Of course.

Which is?

Saddam was not worthy of greater effort simply because he was famous.

You seem to think he is?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


Do you understand what a significant point is?

Do you understand that saying value is negative meant not much value?

Do you want to begin quantifying value of human beings?

Show me the scale.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Which is?

You seem to think he is?

No, but your suggestion would appear to imply you do.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Not unless you were willing to ship every common murderer, rapist, kidnapper, etc. Saddam was not worthy of greater effort simply because he was famous.

But Clifford Olsen is worthy of greater effort why? A lifetime of lockdown and solitary. It takes more to guard him from other prisoners than it does to guard many other convicts.

By your equation, it is now OK to kill him.

Thank you.

[DinoDoc]

No, but your suggestion would appear to imply you do.

I actually don't think he's anymore special that Prickton and would be for executing them both. I just don't see the value of someone drawing a distinction in opposition to capital punishment. If you'd be against executing Prickton, by your own arguement you'd be against executing Saddam.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


But Clifford Olsen is worthy of greater effort why?

Because he's in Canada and is thus the responsibility of the Canadian government.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I actually don't think he's anymore special that Prickton and would be for executing them both. I just don't see the value of someone drawing a distinction in opposition to capital punishment. If you'd be against executing Prickton, by your own arguement you'd be against executing Saddam.

Pickton is a Canadian citizen living in Canada. Asking a government to pay for the perpetual upkeep of thousands of foreigners convicted of crimes in a foreign country is not going to happen.

If they were going to spend that kind of money on foreigners they would be better off spending it on malnourished children in some ****hole African country. Better value for their money.

[DinoDoc]

So you feel Pickton's life is only worthy of continuing if he's found guilty because he's Canadian. Is that correct? I don't really see how you have a substantive objection to capital punishment.

[KrazyHorse]

That's like asking if I feel if only Canadians are worthy of health care. If I don't, then why doesn't the canadian government offer Americans access to government-paid health care as well?

[KrazyHorse]

I have an objection to capital punishment when the government performing the executions has other options available to it.

The Iraqi government does not.

On the other hand, as you've suggested, European governments could reduce the necessity of Iraqi executions by offering to take in all convicted felons. That they do not do so is a wrong. From that perspective, however, every government with the means to aid developing nations to a greater extent than they currently do is committing a wrong. In fact, given the relative costs of the two, the aid would be a more effective use of resources.

This is not very complicated, DD...