Pickton - Murderer of 49 women ("Was gonna do 1 more - make it an even 50")

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I don't put any value on such a man's life. In fact, it has negative value.

I give all human life the same inherent value.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Wycoff


No, not really.

Gah, I always get you confused with Wiglaf.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
I give all human life the same inherent value.

Human life doesn't have an inherent value. I do, however, think human consciousness is invaluably precious. Terri Schiavo, not worth anything. This pig ****er, put him in a hole and let him suffer the rest of his days.

[notyoueither]

Defend? From what?

I have stated that the value in ending the anguish for the families of victims outways the value of the life of mass murderers convicted and where there is zero doubt about guilt.

All you have to say otherwise is that a man like Olsen or Picton (if guilty) has some inherent value that Saddam must have lacked.

I'm not sure where you get your scales from, but the results are somewhat curious.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


I give all human life the same inherent value.

Except the ones you agree should be killed?

[Cort Haus]

The best argument in favour of the death penalty (apart from the emotional satisfaction for the afflicted some have described as 'closure') is to save the substantial cost to society of keeping the threat-to-society alive, while keeping society safe from the threat.

The best argument against the death penalty is the possibility of executing the innocent, which would effectively be murder.

So in this case, stringing him up would seem to be the way to go, unless it was considered that, in the words of The Film, "death's too good for 'em".

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Defend? From what?

I have stated that the value in ending the anguish for the families of victims ourways the value of the life of mass murderers convicted and where there is zero doubt about guilt.

You are conflating two issues:

1) You claim that Robert Pickton's life has negative value
2) You claim to want to kill him to "end the anguish"

[Kuciwalker]

The best argument in favour of the death penalty (apart from the emotional satisfaction for the afflicted some have described as 'closure') is to save the substantial cost to society of keeping the threat-to-society alive, while keeping society safe from the threat.

I disagree. I think it's that this sort of person has no value.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


You are conflating two issues:

1) You claim that Robert Pickton's life has negative value
2) You claim to want to kill him to "end the anguish"

As you did when you suggested that the utility of killing Saddam outweighed the value of his life.

Apparently it is possible to tip those scales.

[chequita guevara]

The problem with "no possibility of innocence" is that everyone who is sent to the death chamber is presumed to have "no possibility of innocence." If they had, they would have been found not guilty.

[notyoueither]

There's found guilty, and there's no possibility of innocence. The two are not the same.

Death sentences for extreme crimes should have to hold up to the higher standard.

[Kuciwalker]

Actually, they aren't.

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[Wycoff]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The problem with "no possibility of innocence" is that everyone who is sent to the death chamber is presumed to have "no possibility of innocence." If they had, they would have been found not guilty.

Technically, they're guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That means that there still could be some doubt, just not reasonable doubt.

In practice, I think that many juries actually apply a "clear and convincing standard," or even a preponderance standard. That's why people get convicted on shakey evidence.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
How so?

I have never claimed that all executions are wrong.

Why not? If it would be wrong to execute Pickton, surely it would be wrong to execute anyone else would it not?

[Asher]

I see no one can argue with my argument.