God versus science

[Patroklos]

I'm talking about people who think, that God has set everything according to the plan, so, following the same set of logic, illnesses are sometimes destiny, so science that combats some of those illnesses, like homo aids, well, is against God's will.

That is if you look at God's created world as a story, instead of a machine. I see the natural world as a marvelously complex system/machine/organism/whatever, and all scientists are doing is discovering the mechanics of it.

[Richelieu]

Originally posted by Pekka
Richeliu, can and does doesn't make a difference. If there's a plan, it is PART of the plan. My point is, there is no plan.

But then everything is predetermined and not worth arguing about.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Patroklos


That is if you look at God's created world as a story, instead of a machine. I see the natural world as a marvelously complex system/machine/organism/whatever, and all scientists are doing is discovering the mechanics of it.

True.
It's where we put our endeavors. Interesting that fireworks happened so long ago. I'm sure head colds existed.

[DinoDoc]

WTF Pekka?

[Pekka]

Richeliu, yes, that's why I asked what the logic behind it would be.

Seems that people are caught up with their own logic, instead of the one I asked about.

And since there is no logic behind it, it doesn't make sense to be against science. Like ID theorists are. Against valid science that is. Doing a great disservice to real science, blurring the concepts of science. Wolves in sheeps clothes.

[Drake Tungsten]

God versus science

God wins. Won't even be close.

[Kropotkin]

Originally posted by Pekka
Seems that people are caught up with their own logic, instead of the one I asked about.

Seems like you and God sort of have the same problem.

[Pekka]

God is a capitalist.

And a libertarian.

[Chemical Ollie]

Pekka, just ask Mama. She knows the answere...

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Cort Haus




Presumably in the Fundiverse there were no viruses in the world before Adam & Eve ate the forbidden fruit ....

Umm, you don't really understand what I was saying.

Remember, in Heaven there will be no sickness and dying. How God accomplishes that is up to Him, I just know he promised that. If he wants to use nanomachines, that is fine by me. Of course, he doesn't have to.

(One of) the points of Genesis is that suffering on earth is caused by sin.

Jon Miller

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Pekka
Since no one read the first paragraph ..

That's because it doesn't make sense.

JM

[Pekka]

It does make sense, the problem is with your comprehension.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Richelieu
God also gave the scientist the power to choose whether or not to take action and HE let the scientists know - through prophets, scriptures etc... - that His will is not to be messed with.
If the doctor cures someone that God has made sick, he is going against God's will. The fact that the doctor CAN has nothing to do with the fact that the doctor DOES.

And if someone builds a shelter to let a person in the rain stay dry, or makes some clothing to let a cold person stay warm, is that also going against God's will?

[trev]

Presumably in the Fundiverse there were no viruses in the world before Adam & Eve ate the forbidden fruit ....

God created everything and everything was good. Viruses began as useful life bringing benefits to its hosts. With sin entering the world, life began to mutate and what was useful began to cause harm. Scientists are now finding that viruses can be useful in targeting cancers with treatment and possibly other disease, at least experimentally. As many many millions of virus strains continue to coexist in human, animal and plant bodies, it is highly probably that they are still a benefit to their hosts in many instances, just that disbelieving evolutionary scientists tend to not look for those benefits, so we are generally unaware of them.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Pekka
It does make sense, the problem is with your comprehension.

No.

JM