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  • #91
    Originally posted by KrazyHorse


    The opposite is true.

    ASATs are generally in ballistic trajectories and (this might be wrong) are smaller than their targets.
    I severely doubt it.

    One is firing a bullet up and hoping it doesn't hit anything. The other is firing a bullet up hoping to hit a precise dot on the map.

    Do the math.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by notyoueither
      And they have the infrastructure to launch how many killer sats? And how long does that infrastructure survive B1's and B2's if it came to a hot war?
      Now, that's a better question. Right now they're ground-launching from a dedicated facility (i.e. a giant ****ing target). If they can manage to make it mobile (or even better put it in a self-contained pod and air launch like US ASATs) then we're starting to talk serious capability...
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      • #93
        Originally posted by notyoueither


        I severely doubt it.

        One is firing a bullet up and hoping it doesn't hit anything. The other is firing a bullet up hoping to hit a precise dot on the map.

        Do the math.
        You're talking out of your ass, NYE. Tracking/guidance is an electronics issue and it gets easier every day. Delta vee is not.
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        • #94
          Anything a killer sat launcher could do mobile, a sat launcher could do better.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by notyoueither


            There are patches of barren tundra that people want to launch sats off of with polar bears as an audience.

            How hard can it be to get a blob of metal into orbit? Every tom, dick, and ivan mobile launcher proposed to be able to float an ICBM.
            They can't build, transport and launch something in a matter of days, dude. Not to mention hundreds of somethings.

            You're off your ****ing rocker.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by notyoueither
              Anything a killer sat launcher could do mobile, a sat launcher could do better.
              No. No, no, no. Ballistic = easier than orbit. Period.
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              • #97
                Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                You're talking out of your ass, NYE. Tracking/guidance is an electronics issue and it gets easier every day. Delta vee is not.
                Excuse me?
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                  They can't build, transport and launch something in a matter of days, dude. Not to mention hundreds of somethings.

                  You're off your ****ing rocker.
                  Far easier to launch 100 things than to launch 100 things to hit the first 100.

                  Check your rocker.
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                  • #99
                    Excuse you for what? Why do you think that the US launches ASATs from an F-15 but they don't launch sats that way? How much energy does it take to put an ASAT in an intercept ballistic trajectory compared to an orbit?
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                    • Originally posted by notyoueither


                      Far easier to launch 100 things than to launch 100 things to hit the first 100.

                      Check your rocker.
                      No, it isn't, actually.

                      You had better check your rocker because you are way out of your area of competence here.
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                      • Originally posted by KrazyHorse

                        No. No, no, no. Ballistic = easier than orbit. Period.
                        Dude.

                        It's math.

                        So much propellant for so much weight from such and such a spot on the map to get it into orbit.

                        Add a bit of guidance on the sat if you want, but it still isn't brain surgery.
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                        • NYE, to say that you had a limited comprehension of the issues involved would be a hell of an understatement.
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                          • KH, to say that you overstate the issues involved would be a hell of an understatement.

                            The Russians launched a ball into orbit in 196x something. You would have us believe that this was a fantastically complicated thing that could only be accomplished from a single, specialised site.

                            Bull****.

                            What had to be specialised was the infrastructure to launch the vehicle, not the 'special' coordinates of the area of launch.
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                            • Originally posted by notyoueither
                              KH, to say that you overstate the issues involved would be a hell of an understatement.

                              The Russians launched a ball into orbit in 196x something. You would have us believe that this was a fantastically complicated thing that could only be accomplished from a single, specialised site.

                              Bull****.

                              What had to be specialised was the infrastructure to launch the vehicle, not the 'special' coordinates of the area of launch.
                              ? Why are you arguing against a strawman?
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                              • Why are you maintaining that attaining orbit is anything other than math and propellant?
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