Walmart - Company Run By Morons for My Benefit

[Pekka]

YES!

David Floyd is a corrupt individual. He has absolutely no moral values he follows, no ethics except that of fraud, theft and personal gain. This man would not help you if you were drowning.. when you reach out, he woudl take your hand and.. steal your watch, leaving you sinking to the deep waters of individualism.

David Floyd is not only a corrupt individual, but he has also shown extreme views, which contradict the common social values of the general view. He regularly attacks the collective, by his insane ramblings, that show bitterness and grudge against society. He therefore attacks the well being of the collective, in other words, everyone.

David Floyd does not want you to succeed. He does not want your family to survive. He wants to take it all and pay no contribution what so ever. He has shown the weakness of his moral fiber by engaging himself in gambling, stealing the money in game of poker from the working class, the people who actually worked for the money.

David Floyd is a trickster, who takes the money and food from our mouths, with his manipulation. In the olden days, we used to burn people like him publicly.

David Floyd has not only engaged himself into tricking money out of people for his own personal gain, to satisfy his, what is ultimately sexual, need of ego. His ego has also lead him into the world of violence, as he regularly practices secret art of violence in the form of mixed martial arts, or what can be only accurately described as modern barbarianism, the modern Roman 'entertainment'.

David Floyd does not care about his fellow man. He will enjoy doing violence against the weaker ones. He is therefore abusive by nature, a brute, a savage with lust for money and blood. An image where David masturbates in a pool of blood and money, neither of which are his own, can hardly be dismissed as merely some fantasy.

I judge David Floyd to be categorized as a pest, whereas I, myself, am a better man, and David Floyd can only redeem himself by sucking up for.. two years.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Elok
Laz/Imran: I didn't recognize this poster; what girl he tried to get drunk? You mean this sort of behavior is recurring?

If I remember correctly, it was not Floyd himself who was spiking the drinks. He just watched and laughed while other spiked her drinks, then posted here about how funny it was watching her get sick.

It seemed to come as a surprise to him that posters with daughters of their own weren't terribly amused by the jolly japes.

[Darius871]

Then I guess you wouldn't be amused by the girl I've seen drinking cup after cup of piss after being told it was beer...

[KrazyHorse]

:vom:

[Veritass]

I just did something similar, but I did it at the Apple Store. My wife and I received two iPod Shuffles for Christmas from a relative in the Midwest. We did not have receipts, and we wanted to trade them up to iPod Nanos, because we need the song selection features available on the Nano but not on the Shuffle. We took them in, said we did not have a receipt, said we did not know where they were purchased, and trade them up with no hassle.

Part 1: Should the OP be able to bring the device in and trade it up? Absolutely, subject to whatever the store's restocking and exchange policy is.

Part 2: Should the OP be able to bring in the defective device and trade it in for a good one? No, this is where the moral failure is. Not that he implied he bought it from Wal-Mart, but that he implied it was relatively new and defective when purchased. Since there is no way to tell a brand new iPod from a six-month-old iPod, and no serial number tracking available to Wal-Mart, the OP screwed Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is not going to suffer significantly, thought, since they will continue the lie onto Apple when returning this as defective product and getting a credit.

[David Floyd]

You have deprived Wal-Mart of their legitimate profits, by obtaining goods though deception. This is fraud, which is a theft.

One thing you guys seem to be mostly missing here...due to the UMRP, there is, as far as I've ever been able to tell, no profit margin for retailers in Ipods. Walmart didn't lose anything, because they should get credit from Apple - they are enough of a retail powerhouse to pretty much set their own terms when it comes to manufacturer-retailer relationships. Apple doesn't lose anything because the Ipod was defective within their warranty - they were obligated to take care of it anyway. To paraphrase the language in their warranty, in the case of a defect within one year, Apple will, at its discretion, replace or repair the Ipod.

Now, what's Apple going to do with the Ipod Walmart sends them? Most probably, refurbish it and resell it, possibly using it as a replacement Ipod for someone who bought a defective Ipod.

snoopy has it right - most of you don't know what the **** you are talking about. Yeah, admittedly, the thread title and first line of my post were for shock value. Duh. Substantively, though, no one gets hurt, and even if they did, I still did nothing wrong, because Walmart exercised ZERO professional responsibility in dealing with me. All I did was go in and ask if they would exchange an Ipod. If they said no, that would have been fine (if unexpected).

Part 2: Should the OP be able to bring in the defective device and trade it in for a good one? No, this is where the moral failure is. Not that he implied he bought it from Wal-Mart, but that he implied it was relatively new and defective when purchased.

If the manufacturer's warranty only provides coverage for items that are defective out of the box, then why is it a one year warranty? Plus, of course the Ipod was new when purchased.

Laz/Imran/etc., WRT you bringing up something unrelated and in the past, I vaguely recall what you are talking about, and as I recall, it was another situation where I did nothing wrong. Any of you guys would find it funny to watch 18 year old girls get stupid-drunk and puke in someone's back yard. Not many of you would say so, though. It's not like I tried to take advantage of any of them, and it's not like I was overserving anyone. I was just calling it what it was - pretty damn funny.

But wait, I'm sorry. You guys DON'T think watching Sorority girls act stupid is funny. My mistake. Everyone else on the planet who is not a)a sorority girl, or b)humorless, thinks that it's funny, too.

[David Floyd]

Wal-mart did not care whether he bought the item there, and did not care if the defect was due to materials or due to user ignorance. They did not care, because they did not ask. What DF did was take use Wal-Mart's policies to his best advantage, nothing more. Wal-Mart no doubt figured they would make more money by accepting the return and getting his further business.

That is undoubtedly the case behind Walmart's lax return policies. It's also the reason that almost ANY retailer will make major exceptions to its posted return policy, especially for repeat customers. It's the theory that taking a $200 hit today in exchange for $20,000 in lifetime purchases is worth it.

And before you ask, no, I'm not a Walmart shopper, nor do I plan to be in the future, except on rare occasions, and Walmart exchanging or not exchanging the Ipod did not impact that in the slightest. That's no reason I shouldn't be able to take advantage of their business model, the same as everyone else - the fact that I understand what they are doing and why shouldn't exempt me from benefitting from it.

[Elok]

So watching people get tricked into ingesting enough alcohol to have to vomit is funny? Nah, that's tame. What's really funny is if you spike their drink with rohypnol, then drag them off to the bathroom and gang-rape them! HahahahaHAHAHA stupid sorority whores deserve it--

No, wait a minute. Scratch that. That's not funny, it's really ****ing sick. And the stupidity/naivete/unpleasantness of your victim does not justify anything you do. If anything, it makes your behavior worse in some cases. If you come across an unsupervised Down's syndrome sufferer in the street and take all his money, you're not just a canny fellow who knows how to pick his mark, and the idiot didn't deserve it. If some bozo walks up to you and asks you to hold his wallet for him while he goes to the bathroom, you're still a thief if you run away with it while he's gone. Taking advantage of a dumb kid promoted over his head is better than that, but still hardly exemplary behavior.

[David Floyd]

Taking advantage of a dumb kid promoted over his head is better than that

That's hardly what I did. I took advantage of Walmart's operating model. The real reason the customer service people weren't happy about it was most likely because they don't operate on that level - they deal with a never ending line of customers who always want something, and they get sick of management caving in. They aren't looking at the overall operating model or business plan, they are just frustrated and feel walked on. Unfortunately, that's often the case, because most managers don't empower line level employees to make decisions like that, or teach them why they make business sense.

As for the rest, Watching *****y sorority girls be stupid IS funny. Intentionally poisoning them is not. Now, look back at my post and the previous posts - which one did I do?

[Elok]

Dude, you're coming across as a total douche here, but I wouldn't call it moral for me to drug you (or sit back and watch someone else drug you, which amounts to the same thing) and laugh as you get sick. As I said, being unpleasant does not justify attacks against you; nor does being stupid.

And acting compassionate towards the people you ripped off is just nauseating. "Gee, I really feel for those guys, always having to make concessions to cheap ghetto bastards like me and not understanding why."

[David Floyd]

Dude, you're coming across as a total douche here, but I wouldn't call it moral for me to drug you (or sit back and watch someone else drug you, which amounts to the same thing) and laugh as you get sick.

Duh, me either. What I was talking about was simply sitting back and laughing at a group of sorority girls getting way too drunk and acting stupid. Tell me that you have never laughed at drunk idiots

And acting compassionate towards the people you ripped off is just nauseating. "Gee, I really feel for those guys, always having to make concessions to cheap ghetto bastards like me and not understanding why."

That's not exactly what I said, nor did I rip anyone off. Which you would understand if you read what I actually did, along with my explanations of the "back end" processes WRT returned defective merchandise.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Elok
If some bozo walks up to you and asks you to hold his wallet for him while he goes to the bathroom, you're still a thief if you run away with it while he's gone.

I think a lot of people would take issue with this part...

[Elok]

Originally posted by Darius871
I think a lot of people would take issue with this part...

Why? We have laws against cruelty to animals with no reason at all; why not against cruelty to stupid people? The man in question was ridiculously trusting, but he was not willingly, knowingly giving his wallet away. Therefore, it's still a theft. Hopefully, should he get his wallet back, he will have the sense to not repeat such a stunt. Whether he does or not, though, people who take the opportunity remain thieves.

The problem I have with people saying "that guy was an idiot, he deserved it" is that intelligence is relative. Almost everyone seems stupid to someone else. "Too stupid" is an arbitrary line measured against the (supposed) average. I say supposed because behavior is affected by many things, including stress, sleep, and nutrition. And also because hindsight, as the saying goes, is 20/20.

Finally, there seems to be a contradictory set of standards for when to apply this rule--taking advantage of a retarded person would be considered mean. If you take advantage of a normal person, you're also a rotten criminal. It's only moderately stupid people who are "just asking for it," though they did not choose to be mentally deficient and probably are not aware of the deficiency (being, after all, stupid). Why is this?

DF: You're missing the point. I don't care about corporate return policies which make misappropriated property's value vanish into convoluted thin air. If this were merely a matter of a bad return policy, why was the stupidity of "Chris" relevant to the story? And why did the folks in Customer Service argue with you, if they had to let you walk over them? It sounds to me as though they were ultimately handcuffed by an overly-forgiving corporate policy, but you ripped them off, and both sides knew it as you smiled in their face and did it. That makes you a grade-A smeg by my book.

WRT the sorority girls, someone else said you watched somebody spike a girl's drink and didn't tell her, choosing instead to laugh as she puked. You did not contradict the account, so I assumed it was true. Feel free to point me towards the original link.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by David Floyd
One thing you guys seem to be mostly missing here...due to the UMRP, there is, as far as I've ever been able to tell, no profit margin for retailers in Ipods. Walmart didn't lose anything, because they should get credit from Apple - they are enough of a retail powerhouse to pretty much set their own terms when it comes to manufacturer-retailer relationships. Apple doesn't lose anything because the Ipod was defective within their warranty - they were obligated to take care of it anyway. To paraphrase the language in their warranty, in the case of a defect within one year, Apple will, at its discretion, replace or repair the Ipod.

Doesn't matter. You are, of course, failing to take into account the administrative expenses incurred by Wal-Mart directly flowing from your deception. Including, of course, the man/hour cost of all staff involved, coupled with all relevant postage/return expenses.

So what we have is a financial burden directly flowing from your deception. A loss, in other words. We have a loss, an actus reus and a mens rea. Congratulations- you're a thief.

Thanks for playing. Come and debate criminal law any other time you want your arse handed to you.

[Arrian]

Supercitizen, Walmart needs you!

-Arrian