Former US President Ford dead at 93

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It is hard to over estimate his crimes. He was by far the most criminal President we ever had so he deserves to be remembered as a criminal.

I actually doubt that. I think Nixon probably didn't do all that much worse than the Presidents who came before him. He just managed to get caught. I'm sure Joe Kennedy had some shady things going on in his son's election campaigns.

[Dinner]

Joe Kennedy wasn't President and that's a strong charge. Any proof?

Until you do then you should change that "I'm sure" to a "I suspect" or a much more accurate "I'm being wildly speculative".

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course Joe Kennedy wasn't President, but he was the paterfamilias. He was the guy in charge of everything. Jack, Bobbie, Ted all of them used Joe's large and influential contacts which he had gotten through years of working in the Democrat party, as a successful Irish businessman, and Ambassador to Great Britain.

As for shady things going on in the 1960 elections, are you serious? You never heard of, oh, the mafia helping out John in Illinois?

There is the famous line John would tell about the 1960 election:

When John F. Kennedy was asked about the level of involvement and influence that his father had held in his razor-thin presidential bid, JFK would joke that on the eve before the election, his father had asked him the exact number of votes he would need to win - there was no way he was paying "for a land-slide".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy%2C_Sr.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

So? He grew up in Grand Rapids, MI.

I was just trying to point out that while Ford was doomed to grow up in a ****hole, he wasn't born in one...

So Michigan is a ****hole and Nebraska isn't? RIIIIIIIGHT....

[Dinner]

That quote from Kennedy's father could easily be understood to be his father financially helping out the campaign to pay for ads or what not. I again ask for proof of wrong doing.

[Straybow]

Not to mention that Kennedy chose LBJ for a running mate because LBJ could "deliver" Texas.

I've always thought it odd that the Dems are so willing to overlook the voting fraud of their favorites and harp on the truly insignificant campaign office burglery...
unless they were afraid that Nixon's "plumbers" would have led to the uncovering of Dem vote fraud...

[Drake Tungsten]

So Michigan is a ****hole and Nebraska isn't?

No, Grand Rapids is a ****hole and Omaha isn't. Omaha is very nice; it's the rest of Nebraska that's the ****hole.

Michigan is probably a bigger ****hole, though. We don't have anyplace nearly as bad as Detroit or Flint.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oerdin
That quote from Kennedy's father could easily be understood to be his father financially helping out the campaign to pay for ads or what not. I again ask for proof of wrong doing.

That's one of the most tortured apologist explainations I've ever seen. Everyone knew what that meant.

I do like asking for proof when a Dem is accused of shady dealings but believing any sort of innuendo of a Republican's shady dealings without the slighest shread of proof (like Bush skipping out on the Texas National Guard). The press back in those days kept more than affairs hushed up after all.

Though there is the interesting set of circumstances in Chicago, where Kennedy won Cook County by an amazing 450,000 which allowed him to win Illinois by 9,000. Shady enough that people were trying to persuade Nixon to ask for a recount, which he refused to do.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
You've been talking to Kidicious lately? Or that guy who thinks 9/11 was staged by the government?

Unbelievable!

Sorry, it was obligatory.

[Dinner]

Where is the vote fraud in the Kennedy case? I'm still waiting.

[Drake Tungsten]

It is amusing that you think words that clearly applied to Nixon describe Bush well

Why is it amusing? The press is still stuck on Watergate/Nixon today. They all want to be Bob Woodward and now they finally have their chance. Given the circumstances, it's not surprising at all that the press refers to Bush in the same way they referred to Nixon, just as it's not surprising that they've been treating Iraq like it's Vietnam since almost the beginning...

[rah]

Reading the editorials in the Chicago Trib today and one writer blamed Ford's loss to Carter, not on the pardon, not on his mistakes during the debate, but on....











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Chevy Chase skits on SNL. Since he made Ford look like a bumbling stumbling idiot every week.

[Imran Siddiqui]

While the vote fraud recount challenges in court didn't go anywhere (Hell, it isn't like they would, if you deny people ability to vote or have dead guys vote, no recount will overturn that):

http://www.slate.com/id/91350/

On the other hand, some fraud clearly occurred in Cook County. At least three people were sent to jail for election-related crimes, and 677 others were indicted before being acquitted by Judge John M. Karns, a Daley crony. Many of the allegations involved practices that wouldn't be detected by a recount, leading the conservative Chicago Tribune, among others, to conclude that "once an election has been stolen in Cook County, it stays stolen." What's more, according to journalist Seymour Hersh, a former Justice Department prosecutor who heard tapes of FBI wiretaps from the period believed that Illinois was rightfully Nixon's. Hersh also has written that J. Edgar Hoover believed Nixon actually won the presidency but in deciding to follow normal procedures and refer the FBI's findings to the attorney general—as of Jan. 20, 1961, Robert F. Kennedy—he effectively buried the case.

And I don't think Hersh is a Republican partisan, frankly. The ultimate answer is the proof is the same as the proof that dead people vote in Chicago elections.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by rah


Chevy Chase skits on SNL. Since he made Ford look like a bumbling stumbling idiot every week.

The closest CC ever came to be funny.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Straybow
Not to mention that Kennedy chose LBJ for a running mate because LBJ could "deliver" Texas.

Actually, JFK asked LBJ as a courtesy because LBJ was the power in the Senate. The plan was for LBJ to graciously decline and for Kennedy to then select Shiver. Much to Kennedy's shock, LBJ accepted.