Serbs to be safe from future Nato aggression at last?

[Barnabas]

NATO supporting islamic terrorism

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Sorry, man. But that tired old propoganda has gotten torn apart and now we just have historical facts. The Serbian government was funding and directing the Serbian seporatist forces in both Bosnia and Croatia, the Serbian forces did ethnically cleans the "Republika Serbska" portion of Bosnia of all nonSerbs, the Serbian government did order numerous massacres including the one a Srebrenica, the Serbs did indeed destroy whole Albanian villages in Kosovo (I saw them when I was there 9 months after the war ended), and Milosevic & Co ordered and supported all of it.

Those are just the historical facts.

I entirely disagree about the significance and especially about the NATO response to those "facts". What do you do when such historical facts are found on both sides of a conflict? Intervene on behalf of one side?

In that case I am surprised that you of all poly tubbies would support the islamic side and maybe in your case that should be seen as a healthy development.

[Barnabas]

Now kosovo is cleansed of serbs, all the churches have been destroyed, and they ancestral lands are lost
Are you happy with that oerdin? Wasnt the kosovo liberation army a terrorist organization?

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4214974207914289532&q=kosovo

And was Clinton right about half a million kosovar-albanians probably dead? I think not.... that was BS

The USA sometimes, because of their short sightedness, ends up supporting islamic terrorism, they did that in Afghanistan when it was occupied by the soviets, they did that in Kosovo, and now they are doing that indirectly in Iraq, by removing a secular dictator, and letting that nation vote itself into iranian friendly fundy shiite-ism

Nowadays, In Sudan, hundreds of thousands of christians and animists have been killed, 2 million have been expulsed, and nothing happens.


(BTW, I am not anti american, I think the war in afghanistan is justified, and thank the USA for expulsing the talibans, I support their intervention there)

[Ned]

I think Serbia needs to be banned from NATO until it formally apologizes for starting WWI.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Ned
I think Serbia needs to be banned from NATO until it formally apologizes for starting WWI.

The assassination wasn't a state sponsored act.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Now kosovo is cleansed of serbs, all the churches have been destroyed, and they ancestral lands are lost
Are you happy with that oerdin? Wasnt the kosovo liberation army a terrorist organization?

http://video.google.es/videoplay?docid=4214974207914289532&q=kosovo

And was Clinton right about half a million kosovar-albanians probably dead? I think not.... that was BS

The USA sometimes, because of their short sightedness, ends up supporting islamic terrorism, they did that in Afghanistan when it was occupied by the soviets, they did that in Kosovo, and now they are doing that indirectly in Iraq, by removing a secular dictator, and letting that nation vote itself into iranian friendly fundy shiite-ism

Nowadays, In Sudan, hundreds of thousands of christians and animists have been killed, 2 million have been expulsed, and nothing happens.


(BTW, I am not anti american, I think the war in afghanistan is justified, and thank the USA for expulsing the talibans, I support their intervention there)

Perhaps the war went not far enough and the NATO forces should have forced the disarmament of the kosovo liberation army as well.

But that doesn´t make the serbs innocent of the warcrimes their side commited during the wars after the collapse of Yogoslavia.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Geronimo


The assassination wasn't a state sponsored act.

It sure was.

[Heresson]

I say we give all the Kosovars free admission into USA with citizenship, as long as they take their families with them. Kosovo is free for Serbs to take, and I get a Nobel Peace Prize for solving the Balkans question

pst. I promess to say something nice about Apolyton during the receiving ceremony if You spread my idea

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Ned


It sure was.

No it was not

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Ned


It sure was.

Gravrilo Princip reported only to Young Bosnia. He wasn't a serbian agent. Even if he was it would be like asking the US to apologize for starting ww3 had one of the CIA attempts to assassinate Castro succeeded and managed to trigger a military conflict with the soviet block.

[Heresson]

Actually, I would blame US for CIA actions

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Heresson
Actually, I would blame US for CIA actions

well whatever

[Ned]

In May 1911, ten men in Serbia formed the Black Hand Secret Society. Early members included Colonel Dragutin Dimitrijevic, the chief of the Intelligence Department of the Serbian General Staff, Major Voja Tankosic and Milan Ciganovic.

The main objective of the Black Hand was the creation, by means of violence, of a Greater Serbia. Its stated aim was: "To realize the national ideal, the unification of all Serbs. This organisation prefers terrorist action to cultural activities; it will therefore remain secret."

Dragutin Dimitrijevic, who used the codename, Apis, established himself as the leader of the Black Hand. In 1911 he sent a member to assassinate Emperor Franz Josef. When this failed, Dimitrijevic turned his attention to General Oskar Potiorek, Governor of the Austrian provinces of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Dimitrijevic recruited Muhamed Mehmedbasic to kill Potiorek with a poisoned dagger. However, Mehmedbasic returned to Belgrade after failing to carry out the task.

By 1914 there were around 2,500 members of the Black Hand. The group was mainly made up of junior army officers but also included lawyers, journalists and university professors. About 30 of these lived and worked in Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Three senior members of the Black Hand group, Dragutin Dimitrijevic, Milan Ciganovic, and Major Voja Tankosic, decided that Archduke Franz Ferdinand should be assassinated. Dimitrijevic was concerned about the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, Ferdinand's plans to grant concessions to the South Slavs. Dimitrijevic feared that if this happened, an independent Serbian state would be more difficult to achieve.

When Dragutin Dimitrijevic heard that Archduke Franz Ferdinand was planning to visit Sarajevo in June 1914, he sent three members of the Black Hand group, Gavrilo Princip, Nedjelko Cabrinovic and Trifko Grabez from Serbia to assassinate him. Nikola Pasic, the prime minister of Serbia, Pasic heard about the plot and gave instructions for the three men to be arrested. However, his orders were not implemented and Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated.

Several members of the Black Hand group interrogated by the Austrian authorities claimed that three men from Serbia, Dragutin Dimitrijevic, Milan Ciganovic, and Major Voja Tankosic, had organised the plot. On 25th July, 1914, the Austro-Hungarian government demanded that the Serbian government arrest the men and send them to face trial in Vienna.

On 25th July, 1914, Nikola Pasic, the prime minister of Serbia, told the Austro-Hungarian government that he was unable to hand over these three men as it "would be a violation of Serbia's Constitution and criminal in law". Three days later Austro-Hungarian declared war on Serbia.

During the first two years of the First World War the Serbian Army suffered a series of military defeats. Nikola Pasic, who blamed the Black Hand for the war, and in December 1916 decided to disband the organisation. Dragutin Dimitrijevic and several of the Black Hand leaders were arrested and executed the following year.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWblackhand.htm

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Geronimo


well whatever

Isn't CIA intelligence of USA?

[VetLegion]

Kosovo Albanians are mostly muslim (some are also Christian AFAIK), but their motives for fighting the Serbs are nationalistic/ethnic/territorial and not religious. They're not like the taliban or anything.