Senate Report: Gore Lies, Media Biased, Advocates Misrepresent

[KrazyHorse]

I suppose in the Nediverse going out of your way half a dozen times to explain what a skeptic you are is the same as throwing your faith completely behind the climate-change-to-disaster crowd.

[Ned]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse

KH, You continue to sidestep my well-aimed arrows

Which would those be?

Hypothesis: I mock anybody who claims with any certainty that the number and severity of Atlantic/Carribbean hurricanes in 2005 was a direct result of man-made global warming.

Proof:

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
Look, it's obvious to me as a physicist that human beings put enough CO2 into the atmosphere to dramatically alter the level of atmospheric CO2. This is uttely borne out by experimental data. Human beings have caused an unprecedented rise in global CO2 levels. It's also obvious to me what the zeroth order effect on the global climate must be (given the spectroscopic properties of CO2). It's not obvious to me that there can't be counterbalancing effects, and I think it's utterly ridiculous to rely on climatological models to tell us in any detail what the effects of warming will be. And the data on previous global mean temperatures is crappy enough that it can be interpreted any way you like.

So you'll pardon me if I choose to disassociate myself from any politician who thinks he's qualified to comment on this issue.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Have you ever heard of the phrase "attacking a strawman", Ned? It's when you argue against a point (generally easily disproven) that your opponent is not making in order to appear stronger. My only question is whether you are engaging in such a rhetorical technique or are simply too slow to grasp that I place little to no credence in disaster predictions from climate scientists, and have not argued in favour of doing so once in this thread or any other.

Good.

[KrazyHorse]

You post that as though your approval was important to me.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Odin
Looks like winter has been officially canceled in the Alps...

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2081644.ecehttp://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2081644.ece

In other news it got to 40F today in Fargo, it was up near 50F a few days ago. There is no snow on the ground except for a few patches is shady spots. This is FARGO we are talking about, whe're supposed to be knee-deep in the white stuff and be having -30F wind chills by now. It's almost Christmas and it feels like October.

Summer officially cancelled in Australia - they're expecting a record low temp of 14C on Xmas day.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/ASXX0075?from=search_10day

[KrazyHorse]

Wow. Posting isolated pieces of information sure can help argue a general trend.

Thank you, Odin.

[Ned]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse
You post that as though your approval was important to me.

[Solly]

Re: re heat islands

Originally posted by Sandman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_heat_island

The Wikipedia article on urban heat islands appears fairly authorative, and it mercilessly debunks the folk science of attributing most or all of global warming to the phenomenon.

[Straybow]

AGW and the IPCC is a scientific farce.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Straybow
AGW and the IPCC is a scientific farce.

I wouldn't say a farce, but it is quickly becoming a great example of how science can become corrupted.

[Sandman]

Re: re heat islands

I don't believe I suggested that urban heat islands don't exist. What was the map in aid of?

[Solly]

To show the impact of development - not just urbanism - on recorded temperatures. I was pretty surprised to see how large some of the areas are.

[Zkribbler]

For example, it's not hard to pick out London.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Zkribbler
For example, it's not hard to pick out London.

Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, too.. some of them aren't particularly large cities, globally speaking.

The Metropolitan Heat Areas of the likes of New York must be incredible.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Doddler


Manchester, Birmingham, Sheffield, too.. some of them aren't particularly large cities, globally speaking.

The Metropolitan Heat Areas of the likes of New York must be incredible.

ANyone got a similar image of the US?

[Odin]

The "GW is a artifact of the urban heat island effect" theory was debunked years ago, quit beating a dead horse.