Drunken teen stumbles into wrong home

[Lorizael]

Note to self: Never hold surprise party for Sava.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Snotty
well youre going to have some license to subdue someone in your house, as long as youre not really trying to mess them up. But as wezil says I wouldnt be suprised if the owner was sued even if he only gave the kid a 'light' beating

The kid was passed out on the floor after a night of partying. This is bona fide assault.

[SlowwHand]

It was the middle of the night. In all probability, the homeowner, was wakened from his sleep. He finds a guy in his home, and responds.
As far as his explanation to police, I would imagine he's freaked out and pumping adrenalin, still.

Anyway, I'm staying out of this one.
Sava said it. In Texas, I would have shot him if I had to do so.

[Snotty]

Originally posted by Asher

The kid was passed out on the floor after a night of partying. This is bona fide assault.

i dont get that from the link, for all we know the kid was awake, drunk and beligerent

[Asher]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
It was the middle of the night. In all probability, the homeowner, was wakened from his sleep. He finds a guy in his home, and responds.
As far as his explanation to police, I would imagine he's freaked out and pumping adrenalin, still.

Anyway, I'm staying out of this one.
Sava said it. In Texas, I would have shot him if I had to do so.

Either way it's wrong, whether or not it passes the "would a Texan do it?" test.

[Wezil]

Yes, I can see criminal and civil implications. You are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself. In this case I see no implicit threat against the homeowner (the teen didn't attck him) and force more excessive than required in the situation.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
It was the middle of the night. In all probability, the homeowner, was wakened from his sleep. He finds a guy in his home, and responds.

I agree with Sloww. If I were awakened in the middle of the night and found an intruder in my house, and if I had a wife and a couple of kids, I'd go neanderthallic too!

[Flubber]

hmm

I agree with what the police did here. The kid made a mistake and went in the wrong house.

Charge the owner? Doubtful . If I hear someone in my house and subsequently encounter them, my first contact will be with my baseball bat. I'm not waiting to introduce myself. Since all the most likely reasons for him being there could involve danger to my wife and children, I would use pre-emptive force if necessary.

Now that said -- I would most likely do things this way

1. call police
2. position myself between intruder and family
3. wait and only strike if intruder came towards my position

Hiowever that my light of day with time to think it over- approach. Who knows what I might end up doing if awakened from a sound slumber and I start reacting

[Jon Miller]

I have had a drunken college student enter my room, and climb onto my roommates bed and go to sleep. I tried to prod him awake for a while, before calling the college fellow (college student in charge of that section of rooms).

JM

[Sava]

Re: Re: Re: Drunken teen stumbles into wrong home

Originally posted by Asher

Defend, yes. Beat the hell out of a drunken teenager who is trying to crash, way overkill --> charges.

I get your macho-macho man attitude, and that's precisely what I peg this guy with. Fact is, it's wrong. There's appropriate force, and I'd imagine a 30 year old guy could detain a drunken, tired 16 year old without punching him in the face, then smashing his head into the concrete floor after he had the guy pinned.

Macho-man dumb-ass needs to spend time getting ass-raped in pris-on.

Overkill or not, I'm not in a position to judge what happened because I wasn't witness to these events.

I find it odd that you are defending the teenager in this case. The kid was the one who broke the law. The kid was the one who trespassed into the home of another family where a newborn was sleeping.

Maybe when people mature a little bit or can imagine themselves having to be responsible for another life they can empathize with that sort of parental instinct to defend a vulnerable innocent life. I can only imagine what that guy must have been feeling at the late night or early morning hours been woken up by some idiot kid breaking into his home looking for a party.

That guy didn't know who was entering his home. He didn't know if it was a burglar or what. But instead of worrying about the VICTIM in this case (the family and the 30 year old man), I find it strange that you are defending some idiot kid who went out partying and got exactly what he deserved when he broke into someone elses home looking for the party he was at.

It's easy to criticize someone's reaction to an emotional situation when you aren't in such a situation, eh? I can't think of anything more upsetting than having to face an intruder in my own house.

But then again, we need to protect the rights of jerkoff teenagers when they break into other people's houses, right?

[conmcb25]

I did that once but I think I was already 21 or 22......

I got a public intoxication rap out of it, with 3 months probation, and court costs for the fine.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I have had a drunken college student enter my room, and climb onto my roommates bed and go to sleep. I tried to prod him awake for a while, before calling the college fellow (college student in charge of that section of rooms).

JM

What, you didn't beat the **** out of him and pound his head on the ground?

What kind of man are you?

[CrONoS]

It happened one time to me... it was 7:30am, I was returning back from an 12hours work shift, I was also drunk, maybe I was also on marijuhana...

I was so tired and ****ed up, I entered the wrong house, I made some step, raising my eye, and unknown people were eating in the kitchen room...

I wasn't able to understand what was going on... It really took me some seconds to look at the rooms and understand that I entered the wrong appt.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by Asher

The kid was passed out on the floor after a night of partying. This is bona fide assault.

where do you get that ? The quote from the homeowner says he grabbed the kid by the throat and then the kid "dropped" to the floor. Sounds like he was standing to me. Do you have another source?

Oh and ages are irrelevant in this since there are 16 year olds much larger than many 30 year olds

[Asher]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Drunken teen stumbles into wrong home

Originally posted by Sava
Overkill or not, I'm not in a position to judge what happened because I wasn't witness to these events.

I find it odd that you are defending the teenager in this case. The kid was the one who broke the law.

So did the home owner. The kid is facing some kind of charges, the home owner currently is not.

You are permitted to use reasonable force. From this guys description, it is anything but reasonable.

The public at large needs to know it is not okay to go ape**** on anyone who goes into your home. ESPECIALLY if you don't lock your doors.

I don't buy this guys story. If you really care about your family, you lock your ****ing door at night. This guy's just scum. The kid is just dumb.

Charge the kid for underage drinking, and charge the home owner with assault. Both were wrong, the kids was a stupid mistake and the homeowners was aggressive violence. He needs to be sent a message.