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Telling me I can't kill you is already making my choices.Originally posted by Berzerker
not according to our constitutional system, to paraphrase Thomas Jefferson - a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall otherwise leave them free to pursue their interests.Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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ice cream isn't even psychologically addictive!
This is why I did not continue the earlier debate. It's pointless.
When I became lactose intolerant, I had no problem giving up ice cream.
It has no addictive qualities as all. And ice cream does not directly cause diabetes, so that argument is bunk.
that is all.Comment
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Because in Berserker's world, there are no stops between "patients in palliative care cannot get morphine" and "heroin for sale in every corner shop".Originally posted by Elok
How the hell did we get on the subject of painkillers, anyway? Was anyone arguing against the use of morphine as a (prescription) painkiller?Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- ElokComment
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See, that's a problem. The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. Besides, "Berzaverse" sounds lame.Originally posted by Last Conformist
Because in Berserker's world, there are no stops between "patients in palliative care cannot get morphine" and "heroin for sale in every corner shop".Comment
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Wasn't there a study made on 4,000 American soldiers who admitted trying heroine in Vietnam, that concluded less than 5% of them got back addicted?In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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There's a difference between trying and using it over and over UNTIL you get addicted.
You dont get addicted to cocain or cigarettes over night, same with heroin.
Spec.-Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.Comment
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Then it becomes a question of harm reduction.
Are drugs less or more harmful when they're illegal ?In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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Of course not.Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Then it becomes a question of harm reduction.
Are drugs less or more harmful when they're illegal ?
Both weed and heroine are illegal.
Everyone knows that weed should be legal considering alcohol is.
Heroin should stay illegal.
Spec.-Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.Comment
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Your argument doesn't work.
You claim that heroin becomes truly harmful after prolonged use. However, it's been shown that periodical usage (and even repeated periodical usage) does not entail prolonged usage.
This is a sufficient proof that heroin itself is but a mere factor leading to addiction, amongst plenty others.In Soviet Russia, Fake borises YOU.Comment
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Sorry, this reply is for OB so I'd rather explain in french so it gets out better.
Voyons donc....
J'ai jamais dit ''becomes truly harmful after prolonged use''. J'ai dit ''becomes addictive''. L'heroine c'est toujours mauvais anyway, meme si on est pas addict, comme le reste des drogues..
J'te le dis en francias comme ca j'vas mieux m'exprimer. Si tu fume souvent du pot pis t'en as pus, tu vas p-e avoir de la misere a dormir...c'est a peu pres tout.
Si tu fait souvent de l'heroine, puis t'en as pus, tu vas etre pret a voler pour en acheter, pis si tu en trouve pas, tu vas te mettre a shaker pis suer dans un garde-robes....
L'heroine, une fois qu'on est dépendant, c'est dangeureux, pas juste pour l'addict, mais pour son entourage autant immediat que general aussi, considerant le vole, les mensonges, la manipulation...Pret a tout pour en avoir.
Ca, c'est assez pour moi pour comprendre et accepter que l'heroine c'est illegal. C'est aussi une bonne raison de douter du pourquoi que l'alchool et legal et que le pot lui l'est pas...Les alchoolique sont pire que les gens qui fume du pot sans arret.
Si tu comprends pas mon point de vue, je sais pas comment te l'expliquer d'autre facon alors je prendrai ca comme une difference d'opinion.
Spec.Last edited by Spec; April 5, 2007, 11:23.-Never argue with an idiot; He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience.Comment
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Doctors undermedicating patients... yeah, THAT's a problem we have in this country!
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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I think you get addicted to all of those things overnight. I'm sure about the cocain and cigarettes.Originally posted by Spec
You dont get addicted to cocain or cigarettes over night, same with heroin.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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And what is there to prevent alternative universes? The only constraint that I see is the number of people in the world. Some really confused people may even have more than one.Originally posted by Elok
See, that's a problem. The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. Besides, "Berzaverse" sounds lame.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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