Dutch government says it plans to ban burqa

[Kuciwalker]

For some women, I'd agree with it

[Wernazuma III]

I completely agree with Caligasta's labeling that covering as indecent. I'd have called it obscene though.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by DanS
I think that banning the burqa is stupid. Regulating acceptable clothing (beyond obscenity) is not part of the gov't's portfolio.

Some of you are fascists of the highest order.

I agree in principle, but is it any more fascist than the regulation of use of recreational drugs here in the states? It would be better for governments to consistently avoiding exercising such control over matters it has no business meddling in, but as long as they are happy to meddle anyway making a stand for the burka seems like an odd set of priorities.

Are people who support government regulation of recreational drugs also fascists of the highest order in your opinion?

Having said all that I would certainly prefer a government that never regulated any aspect of peoples personal lives that only effects themselves if such a philosophy were to be uniformly adhered to.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Mmmmm, five guys.

Oh, and Oerdin, it isn't just about the banning of the burqa either (as Dan said, that's just more a totalitarian move, I won't use Fascist)... I think everyone recalls the hate filled rants about Muhammad and people who'd follow him based on what you thought of him. It's kind of like when we accuse aneeshm of Hindu nationalism and he doesn't see it and thinks we are attacking the trivial stuff. It's the whole body of work.

Sure, I do not think Mohammad was a good man though I make a point not to attack his followers unless they personally do something to justify it. You see when people hold Mohammed up to be the shining light which everyone should pattern their lives on, which you haven't done but on occasion I have seen spambots do here, then I like to point out that Mohammed was a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, and he commited genocide against the Jews of Arabia. Mohammed, by any decent standard, was an evil man.

You see, when someone gets up and makes outrageous claims that someone should be emulated by every man, woman, and child on Earth then I think we should really examine that in detail and the bad should be pointed out and not just the good. Mohammed most certainly commited ALOT of bad things and it is perfectly fair to point those things out when someone is putting him on a pedistal.

If it matters I've also spent lots of time tearing down Christ and Christianity here. Does that make me racist against Christians or is it just historical fact to point out the negatives which organized religion has brought?

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Caligastia

By the way, I have to disagree with the idea of banning religious symbols in public. Oerdin went a bit far with that one.l

Not in public. In official government buildings or offices. Places like school, court, city hall, etc... It's the only real way to have a completely secular state which doesn't appear to endorse one religion. Other wise you walk into schools and find half of the students prominently displaying crosses which will introduce the subject of religion at some time. If they want to wear it under their clothes then that's fine but there shouldn't be obvious displays of religious symbols in government owned buildings; that just isn't the place for it.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Not in public. In official government buildings or offices. Places like school, court, city hall, etc... It's the only real way to have a completely secular state which doesn't appear to endorse one religion. Other wise you walk into schools and find half of the students prominently displaying crosses which will introduce the subject of religion at some time. If they want to wear it under their clothes then that's fine but there shouldn't be obvious displays of religious symbols in government owned buildings; that just isn't the place for it.

I think that's taking the 'secular' ideal a little too far. What is the harm in it, after all?

[DinoDoc]

The better question is by what right should the state regulate the clothing of its citizens to such an extent?

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The better question is by what right should the state regulate the clothing of its citizens to such an extent?

The state regulates in response to what the culture of the majority of citizens desire.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DanS
I think that banning the burqa is stupid. Regulating acceptable clothing (beyond obscenity) is not part of the gov't's portfolio.

Some of you are fascists of the highest order.

I get to a DanS post.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Caligastia
The state regulates in response to what the culture of the majority of citizens desire.

It does. But many argue that it shouldn't.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
The better question is by what right should the state regulate the clothing of its citizens to such an extent?

The idea being that allowing religious symbols in publicly owned buildings is in a way an endorsement. Thus religion should be kept at arms length from all state functions in order to insure no one can think the state is endorsing any religion over others.

People would be free to wear their religious symbols in nongovernment places provided that it didn't violate any other laws (example: the law against wearing masks and full body coverings in public).

[Sava]

What if it's cold and I'm wearing a scarf or a ski mask? Should that be banned too?

Oh wait... I guess it would only be banned if I'm a Muslim. If I'm a non-Muslim and I wear a scarf or ski mask during the winter, it's all good.

bigoted eurotrash

[Imran Siddiqui]

I like to point out that Mohammed was a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, and he commited genocide against the Jews of Arabia. Mohammed, by any decent standard, was an evil man.

... and then you wonder why people say the things about you that they do (especially since you were totally pwned on the pedophila thing and you still continue to repeat it)

[Sava]

Originally posted by Oerdin

then I like to point out that Mohammed was a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, and he commited genocide against the Jews of Arabia. Mohammed, by any decent standard, was an evil man.

So he's basically like every other leader in history?

ZOMFG

Oerdin, do me a favor. Name a culture or human society that hasn't fought any wars, commited any murders, or been responsible for any evils.

K THX

Your sh1t stinks just as bad as everyone elses.

[Datajack Franit]

Mohammed was a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, and he commited genocide against the Jews of Arabia. Mohammed, by any decent standard, was an evil man.

FACT