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Sounds pretty reasonable, texans are evil
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What?Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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well, you said these people were paying our retirement, but if we pay them then that is not the case.
While they're ililegal, they're paying for our retirements. If they become residents or citizens, they're treated like the rest of us."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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How did you arrive at that, Ramo?Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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Last year, Mr. MartÃnez paid about $2,000 toward Social Security and $450 for Medicare through payroll taxes withheld from his wages. Yet unlike most Americans, who will receive some form of a public pension in retirement and will be eligible for Medicare as soon as they turn 65, Mr. MartÃnez is not entitled to benefits.
He belongs to a big club. As the debate over Social Security heats up, the estimated seven million or so illegal immigrant workers in the United States are now providing the system with a subsidy of as much as $7 billion a year.
While it has been evident for years that illegal immigrants pay a variety of taxes, the extent of their contributions to Social Security is striking: the money added up to about 10 percent of last year's surplus - the difference between what the system currently receives in payroll taxes and what it doles out in pension benefits. Moreover, the money paid by illegal workers and their employers is factored into all the Social Security Administration's projections.
Illegal immigration, Marcelo Suárez-Orozco, co-director of immigration studies at New York University, noted sardonically, could provide "the fastest way to shore up the long-term finances of Social Security."
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Starting in the late 1980's, the Social Security Administration received a flood of W-2 earnings reports with incorrect - sometimes simply fictitious - Social Security numbers. It stashed them in what it calls the "earnings suspense file" in the hope that someday it would figure out whom they belonged to.
The file has been mushrooming ever since: $189 billion worth of wages ended up recorded in the suspense file over the 1990's, two and a half times the amount of the 1980's.
In the current decade, the file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year, generating $6 billion to $7 billion in Social Security tax revenue and about $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.
In 2002 alone, the last year with figures released by the Social Security Administration, nine million W-2's with incorrect Social Security numbers landed in the suspense file, accounting for $56 billion in earnings, or about 1.5 percent of total reported wages.
Social Security officials do not know what fraction of the suspense file corresponds to the earnings of illegal immigrants. But they suspect that the portion is significant.
"Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I still doubt it; and if that's the case, we end up right back that employers are the truly guilty group.
Jail them. End of problem.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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You doubt it? Those hundreds of billions of dollars of unexpected revenued just magically appeared?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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scotus will be asked to look at it again.Originally posted by KrazyHorse
The SCOTUS has determined that there are only two situations in which the jurisdictional elements come into play:
a) Children born to parents with diplomatic immunity from a foreign government
b) Children born in a part of the United States under foreign occupation in wartimeComment
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SCOTUS will decline12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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This means that they won't be the saviour of social security then.Originally posted by Ramo
well, you said these people were paying our retirement, but if we pay them then that is not the case.
While they're illegal, they're paying for our retirements. If they become residents or citizens, they're treated like the rest of us.Comment
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They'll help to prop it up for a while longer. We still need other changes (i.e. removing the income cap), but that's for another thread..."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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No one is an idiot like a Texan is an idiot. California's 187 tried to deny education to illegal immigrants and the US Supreme Court tossed it out as illegal and unconstitutional. Same with the denial of medical care since most of it was from emergency rooms.AUSTIN – Texas lawmakers struck hard at illegal immigrants Monday, filing bills that would restrict birthright citizenship, bar them from getting state benefits such as health care and education, make it illegal for them to get business permits and tax them for sending money south of the border.
Citizenship at birth is assured in the Constitution so again the Texans are pissing in the wind and getting themselves drenched.
Business permits, taxing remitances, and even legally requiring landlords to varify renters' legal status or have their property siezed might be legal. The first two are likely legal but won't do much as people would just stuff cash into an envelope and mail it. That's why the illegals are in a cash economy so they can stay off of the books and under the radar thus this new law won't have any effect.
Dumb Texan law makers passing laws which won't work.
Dumb Texans who will fall for this obvious pandering which won't do jack cheese to solve the problem.
Sloww when he's not acting like a dumb Texan.
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It is. Prop 187 attempted to do EXACTLY that and it got ****canned by the SCotUS so fast it made the white supremists' heads spin.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Legislation by Rep. Leo Berman, a Tyler Republican who narrowly won his primary election in March, targets the U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants, saying they shouldn't be allowed to attend public schools, get health benefits, work for the state or cities, go to college or qualify for unemployment.
Er... I'm pretty sure this is unconstitutional, seeing as how U.S. born children are automatically citizens.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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I want to know how any immigrant that took the time and made the effort to become a legal citizen can possibly support illegal aliens?
I asked Imran before and the little bastard ignored me.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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They don't often see it as an attack on illegal aliens. The see the Republicans pass laws like 187 and this new Texas law which wants to take away rights of U.S. Citizens because of what their parents did. Latinos, rightly, see this as obvious racism.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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