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The christian right maybe. Who might even prefer McCain. But the High Tory right, whose chief spokesman is George Will, want a firewall against campaign finance reform. They dont care nearly as much about gays and abortion as they do about preserving the role of money in politics, which, IMO, they see as the principle barrier to the "politics of envy" which would trample on property rights, and promote the greatest sin of all, that of sloth, and living off takings from ones betters. McCain CAN NOT BE FORGIVEN for McCain Finegold. And the fundies, well they show disturbing tendencies to support social programs now and again, faith based this and that. We could have a very interesting GOP campaign, with libertarians, and the most reactionary high tories, pitted against neo cons and fundies for McCain. Well the more pragmatic fundies, anyway. Which would look more "moderate" is anyones guess.
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You're missing an important key of the modern right - rabid opposition to immigration. It'll be interesting to see if Giulliani can position himself as to snatch up the Tancredo-right, or if they're inclined to go to someone like Romney. And if McCain ends up alone among immigration moderates, do the Tories see support for McCain-Feingold as the lesser sin?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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No they dont. Freedom to hire labor at the lowest possible wage is important, but its not the keystone of our freedom. You can lose that, and recover later. Once you lose on national governance, theres no recovery anymore. The road to serfdom has been paved, the die has been cast, etc, etc. They'll support socialist sounding antiimmigrant rhetoric or policies before theyll give up on the freedom of speech that allows money to offset the unfair, democracy blighting factor of Periclean oratory, which can be equally distorting, and will corrupt the citizenry into stealing what they didnt earn, which is truely more damaging to virtue than anything the ten commandments discuss (well other than do not covet - thats really the only commandment that should be posted at court houses, dont you think?)Originally posted by Ramo
You're missing an important key of the modern right - rabid opposition to immigration. It'll be interesting to see if Giulliani can position himself as to snatch up the Tancredo-right, or if they're inclined to go to someone like Romney. And if McCain ends up alone among immigration moderates, do the Tories see support for McCain-Feingold as the lesser sin?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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But if you get a candidate who runs hard right on immigration, you alienate Latinos for a generation. And national governance becomes a moot issue anyways."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
I still wonder why Gore is considered a viable candidate. He failed to win even with a good economy and a popular president to point to. He's yesterday's news and should be left to rot in the political dustbin.
He's kind of changed in the last couple years, DD. He's not Mr. Robot anymore.Comment
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Well for what it's worth, 11/06 exit polls indicate McCain or Giuliani would trounce Hillary (the clear nomination front-runner at the moment) 51-35 and 51-37 respectively. I don't see how mere nostalgia appeal would let Gore fill a gap that large, but at any rate the most recent poll of registered voters shows only 21 claim a good chance of voting for Gore, 24% some chance, and 53% no chance, not to mention another showing only 10-13% of Democrat (or Democrat-leaning) registered voters preferring Gore's nomination in the first place.Originally posted by Oerdin
I wonder who would win in a Gore-Giuliani race.
No poll is perfect of course, but looking at margins that large I'd say you're dreaming.Comment
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Actually he did win the popular vote and arguably the electoral vote was shifted due to funny business in Florida and Ohio. That's just a fact as is that Gore is a proven vote getter.Originally posted by DinoDoc
I still wonder why Gore is considered a viable candidate. He failed to win even with a good economy and a popular president to point to. He's yesterday's news and should be left to rot in the political dustbin.
If Nixon can make a come back after a failed Presidential run in 1960 but win in 1968 I don't see why Gore can't win in 2008. He's pretty much a center of the road guy and I think he's learned to trust his gut a bit more and not totally rely on his handlers to the point that he comes across as wooden.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Rudy is too socially liberal to get the support of the GOP base, which is increasingly dominated by the fundy loons who think the party needs to become even more conservative. I think the Pukes will pull a Goldwater in '08, they'll nomminate someone who scares away the moderates.Comment
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Well you hopefully try to finesse it - you dont give the tancredists EVERYTHING they want. And I dont know that you lose ALL Latinos for a generation. Id have to see the polling data. Also how many the HIgh Tories thought theyd get anyway. I mean again, thats a recoverable issue, as the defense of the first amendment is not. I mean ultimately many Latinos will prosper, as some have already done, and they will see how backs against the wall, it was necessary to do some distasteful things to preserve the political base of an opportunity society. Much better than being subject to mob rule.Originally posted by Ramo
But if you get a candidate who runs hard right on immigration, you alienate Latinos for a generation. And national governance becomes a moot issue anyways."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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And in 2004 Rove was quoted as saying there was a perminent Republican majority. Polls two years out before anyone has even started to campaign and most of the contenders are unknown are meaningless. In 1990 no one outside of Arkansas had ever heard of Bill Clinton but by 1992 he was the President. We're still in the 1990 of this race.Originally posted by Darius871
Well for what it's worth, 11/06 exit polls indicate McCain or Giuliani would trounce Hillary (the clear nomination front-runner at the moment) 51-35 and 51-37 respectively. I don't see how mere nostalgia appeal would let Gore fill a gap that large, but at any rate the most recent poll of registered voters shows only 21 claim a good chance of voting for Gore, 24% some chance, and 53% no chance, not to mention another showing only 10-13% of Democrat (or Democrat-leaning) registered voters preferring Gore's nomination in the first place.
No poll is perfect of course, but looking at margins that large I'd say you're dreaming.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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That's why I added two caveats to my post; of course polls this early aren't a slam-dunk. I'd still say a Gore nomination is beyond the pale, no matter how liberated and charismatic he may have become.
Anyway Clinton's having been an unknown and Rove's comments only a year into a then-popular war are hardly analogous to the prospects of a well-known former VP and prez-race loser; Nixon is the only comparison remotely close, and even then the country was too different at the time to be applicable IMO.Last edited by Darius871; November 14, 2006, 15:07.Comment
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Originally posted by Oerdin
In 1990 no one outside of Arkansas had ever heard of Bill Clinton but by 1992 he was the President.
Which is very odd, considering he gave the nominating speech for Dukakis at the Dem convention in 1988."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Tru dat, now he's more of an adolescent polytubbie.Originally posted by Odin
He's kind of changed in the last couple years, DD. He's not Mr. Robot anymore."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy CarterComment
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Well seeing what the FR people have to say about him makes me want to consider voting for him even though he's Republican."The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!
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