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  • #16
    He did a very good job as Mayor of New York City. The problem is that most Republican voters (and most Democratic voters too) don't live in cities and don't identify with city problems.

    We'll have to see what kind of platform he puts forth. I don't dismiss his candidacy out of hand.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Arrian
      Further, 9/11 aside, he was the mayor of New York, which is widely perceived as a wretched hive of scum and villany (liberalism).
      Which he cracked down on quite hard.
      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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      • #18
        True. I'm generally pro-Rudy. I'm just throwing possible problems out there.

        The problem is that most Republican voters (and most Democratic voters too) don't live in cities and don't identify with city problems.
        I have to disagree there. Lots of voters live either in cities or in bedroom communities and commute into work in cities... and that would give them an appreciation for Rudy. Especially the commuters, actually. My mother commuted in to NYC for ~30 years from CT. She loves Rudy - always will - because Rudy made NYC safer for her (bravo from me as well on that). Yet my mom lives in a town of 6000 people.

        My basic point is that living in a small town doesn't = small town mindset.

        -Arrian
        grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

        The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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        • #19
          Really, as a Republican, I'm intrigued with Giuliani as a candidate. Don't know as I would vote for him, but I'm intrigued.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Arrian
            I have to disagree there. Lots of voters live either in cities or in bedroom communities and commute into work in cities... and that would give them an appreciation for Rudy. Especially the commuters, actually. My mother commuted in to NYC for ~30 years from CT. She loves Rudy - always will - because Rudy made NYC safer for her (bravo from me as well on that). Yet my mom lives in a town of 6000 people.

            My basic point is that living in a small town doesn't = small town mindset.

            -Arrian
            I hear you, but the numbers just aren't there of people like your mom.

            Tough on crime is a good Rudy accomplishment, which he might be able to exploit to good effect. But crime normally isn't a presidential issue in a positive sense (of course, you can make it a negative, a la Willie Horton).
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #21
              Really? Urban voters + suburban/rural commuter voters are not > than rural voters?

              Not that there are likely to be stats on something like that (because of the "suburban/rural commuter" thing).

              ...

              Rudy would run as a moderate who could get tough when needed, but who knows how to work with the other side. A uniter, not a divider! Hmm, have I heard that before?

              -Arrian
              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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              • #22
                More like most urban areas are not New York City -- a huge city.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #23
                  True. What issues do you consider to be unique to the huge cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc?)?

                  -Arrian
                  grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                  The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                  • #24
                    Rudy would run as a moderate who could get tough when needed, but who knows how to work with the other side.
                    This would be a bad tactic for Rudy. He should run as a conservative on the things where he has conservative credentials, or could gain conservative credentials (national security).
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #25
                      National Security and? Law & Order we've mentioned. What else? Can he claim to be a fiscal conservative? Anybody can in comparison to the past 6 years, but will it be convincing?

                      Meanwhile, on a host of other issues, he's clearly a moderate or even liberal. He won't be able to just ignore that.

                      Of course he will play up his "National Security Credentials" (which is basically the glow on him from 9/11 and his rejection of that Saudi prince's money, which isn't really national security, but whatever).

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Arrian
                        True. What issues do you consider to be unique to the huge cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc?)?

                        -Arrian
                        No, I'm just pointing out why your mom's situation isn't typical. In actual fact, few Americans are attached to inner cities.

                        If you go to someplace like Columbus, Ohio (middle America), not too many people have occasion to commute downtown. Some do. Others commute to other parts of Columbus that really aren't downtown-ish.

                        A very small proportion of the GOP voters have an attachment to the actual city parts of Columbus. And Ohio is a GOP state.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #27
                          What else?
                          That's a good question. Maybe there's not much else. I think that he should claim some fiscal conservatism, whether it is warranted or not.

                          As to the social conservatism, it would be tough for him to morph into a social conservative. There might be issues where he is socially conservative, and he should focus on those, if so. On the other stuff, it might do him well to state clearly what he would and would not support. If conservatives know that he is liberal, but that there is a compromise on a platform that is acceptable to them, they might go along.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by DanS


                            No, I'm just pointing out why your mom's situation isn't typical. In actual fact, few Americans are attached to inner cities.

                            If you go to someplace like Columbus, Ohio (middle America), not too many people have occasion to commute downtown. Some do. Others commute to other parts of Columbus that really aren't downtown-ish.

                            A very small proportion of the GOP voters have an attachment to the actual city parts of Columbus. And Ohio is a GOP state.
                            But I thought you were trying to make some sort of point about how most voters "don't identify with city problems."

                            What problems are specific to NYC? Crime sure isn't.

                            -Arrian
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #29
                              As to the social conservatism, it would be tough for him to morph into a social conservative. There might be issues where he is socially conservative, and he should focus on those, if so. On the other stuff, it might do him well to state clearly what he would and would not support. If conservatives know that he is liberal, but that there is a compromise on a platform that is acceptable to them, they might go along.
                              I would think he'd have to take a states-rights approach (I personally believe X, but I'm not going to push it. The states should decide).

                              -Arrian
                              grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                              The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Arrian


                                But I thought you were trying to make some sort of point about how most voters "don't identify with city problems."

                                What problems are specific to NYC? Crime sure isn't.

                                -Arrian
                                In my example, Columbus is a violent town. A couple hundred murders a year. But most people never find themselves in an area where the murders take place. Certainly not Republican voters.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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