Giuliani Takes Step Toward '08 Bid

[DanS]

Originally posted by Arrian


I would think he'd have to take a states-rights approach (I personally believe X, but I'm not going to push it. The states should decide).

-Arrian

Yes, that is a good response.

Don't know if it would work, but it's an idea.

[DanS]

To be honest, from the perspective of the GOP primary, the area where Guiliani is weakest is morality. His personal life is a mess. This might not register in NYC as any of the public's business, but in the GOP, national politicians have resigned for much less.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I can just imagine the hammering he'll get for the mistress and the wife both being under the same roof while he was Mayor of NY!

[Fake Boris]

"Radical gay organization"?

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Arrian
Guiliani will likely be savaged by the right wing of the party in the primary, yeah. He's far too socially liberal.
-Arrian

The christian right maybe. Who might even prefer McCain. But the High Tory right, whose chief spokesman is George Will, want a firewall against campaign finance reform. They dont care nearly as much about gays and abortion as they do about preserving the role of money in politics, which, IMO, they see as the principle barrier to the "politics of envy" which would trample on property rights, and promote the greatest sin of all, that of sloth, and living off takings from ones betters. McCain CAN NOT BE FORGIVEN for McCain Finegold. And the fundies, well they show disturbing tendencies to support social programs now and again, faith based this and that. We could have a very interesting GOP campaign, with libertarians, and the most reactionary high tories, pitted against neo cons and fundies for McCain. Well the more pragmatic fundies, anyway. Which would look more "moderate" is anyones guess.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by DanS
To be honest, from the perspective of the GOP primary, the area where Guiliani is weakest is morality. His personal life is a mess. This might not register in NYC as any of the public's business, but in the GOP, national politicians have resigned for much less.

Nows the time to get past all that rubbish. Its not as if W was a paragon of virtue save for the fact that he was born again.

Get back to fiscal restraint and leave the bedroom alone. Heres hoping a bit of the wilderness sharpens GOP desires to court the middle.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Bosh
Listening to the freepers squeal.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1738013/posts

Music to my ears.

Ahhh... McLame and Hitlerly... Aren't those Freepers just so creative? It's a shame they're to stupid to understand McCain is further to the right then a New Yorker like Giuliani. Especially on social issues.

[DinoDoc]

Personally, I'd have to learn more about Giuliani before making any final decisions but as it stands now I find him to be more interesting as a candidate than McCain. His abortion and gun stands (the gay issue really doesn't matter that much to me and he can sell it as a State's Rights issue and leave it at that) might make me a bit queasy voting for him but I'd have to see how he might explain them in the campaign before saying yes or no.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Ahhh... McLame and Hitlerly... Aren't those Freepers just so creative? It's a shame their to stupid to understand McCain is further to the right then a New Yorker like Giuliani.

If you define "right" based on social issues.

[Arrian]

Originally posted by lord of the mark


The christian right maybe. Who might even prefer McCain. But the High Tory right, whose chief spokesman is George Will, want a firewall against campaign finance reform. They dont care nearly as much about gays and abortion as they do about preserving the role of money in politics, which, IMO, they see as the principle barrier to the "politics of envy" which would trample on property rights, and promote the greatest sin of all, that of sloth, and living off takings from ones betters. McCain CAN NOT BE FORGIVEN for McCain Finegold. And the fundies, well they show disturbing tendencies to support social programs now and again, faith based this and that. We could have a very interesting GOP campaign, with libertarians, and the most reactionary high tories, pitted against neo cons and fundies for McCain. Well the more pragmatic fundies, anyway. Which would look more "moderate" is anyones guess.

McCain-Finegold

As to the rest, um, we'll see I guess.

-Arrian

[Jon Miller]

I really don't think he has the experience. What is the last time that someone without state or national experience even ran for a major party?

If he is the Republican candidate, I would feel that the Republicans were really desperate.

JM

[Dinner]

I wonder who would win in a Gore-Guiliani race. It really is looking like Gore is going to run but will wait 6-12 months before jumping in just like Clinton did in 1992. That is if you believe the scuttle butt over on slate.com.

Hilary has amassed a huge campaign war chest but she remains a deeply devisive figure. Gore much less so in both money and devisiveness.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
If he is the Republican candidate, I would feel that the Republicans were really desperate.

JM

I have to give them credit. There is a wing of the Republican party who is looking for a candidate who isn't a total dirtbag and who might actually be able to win over a blue state thus breaking the last few 49-51 and 50-50 presidential races.

[DinoDoc]

I still wonder why Gore is considered a viable candidate. He failed to win even with a good economy and a popular president to point to. He's yesterday's news and should be left to rot in the political dustbin.

[Jon Miller]

It's because the Democrats are desperate also.

JM