Damn anti smoking fanatics! Bars can't serve food and allow smoking? WTF!

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Here's an absurdity.

I employ a few people. All of them smoke. That wasn't the intention, but is how it worked out.

I rent 2 bays to run a business. One bay is public and no smoking is allowed. The other bay has seperate ventilation and I have allowed people to smoke where they please. All of them smoke.

Bylaws was recently by. Smoking must be eliminated. Everywhere. No matter if every single person who works there is a smoker.

As a smoker, and someone with property rights, I can't even have a private office where only I work where I can smoke.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOO.

Get real, if it's your own business with your own employees and no customers, no one will report you.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

I would just like a simple reality check.

People who oppose smoking in public places aren't zealots. Smoking is an optional activity that hurts people around them. IMO it's the people who keep insisting on smoking in public places that are the zealots. Not only is it a rather rude thing to do, it's risking other people's health for their own enjoyment.

Such ardent opposition to what I'd hope would be courtesy is zealotry over people not wanting to deal with it.

People who drive civic initiatives that go way beyond reason are, by and large, zealots.

[Flip McWho]

The difference is that, hospitals and hairstylists have already decided, without government interference, to not allow smoking.

Fine you destroyed my analogy. Though I'd be interested in your opinion just to see how consistent you wish to remain.

But the question is, why is a bar and a club private property?

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Tuberski


The difference is that, hospitals and hairstylists have already decided, without government interference, to not allow smoking.

Bars and restaraunts should have that same right.

ACK!

and i think that the public should have the right to determine that there is a base level of regulations that we allow businesses to operate in.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

BOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOO.

Get real, if it's your own business with your own employees and no customers, no one will report you.

What does it matter if someone reports me?

It violates the bylaw.

The bylaw is either absurd, or it is not.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
People who drive civic initiatives that go way beyond reason are, by and large, zealots.

Way beyond reason??

SMOKING is way beyond reason.
Subjecting people who CHOOSE NOT TO SMOKE to smoke in public places is way beyond reason.

Asking smokers to step outside to smoke instead of doing it inside public places? TOTALLY within reason.

Addicts, as you smokers are, cannot be possibly counted on making reasonable decisions when your addiction becomes just a little bit more inconvenient.

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
What does it matter if someone reports me?

It violates the bylaw.

The bylaw is either absurd, or it is not.

And it's not absurd. It's a sensible bylaw, which is why it's propagating rapidly across the world.

Get over it.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by MRT144


and i think that the public should have the right to determine that there is a base level of regulations that we allow businesses to operate in.

I don't think porn stars should be allowed in any business where there are children.

[Flip McWho]

Aye, all this free market being thrown around.

Do you support regulated hours of work? Regulated minimum safety standards, quotas? tariffs? You know anything that restricts the market? How free do you want your market?

Why do we ban the sale of some drugs?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher

And it's not absurd. It's a sensible bylaw, which is why it's propagating rapidly across the world.

Get over it.

It's bull****.

I could form a club called "Smokers Only". I could arrange the club so it had no employees, only members.

Smoking would not be legal by the bylaws behind closed, and locked, doors.

[Mrs. Tuberski]

The fact of the matter is that business has the say in what is allowed in their place if you dont like it then dont go there, so goes for all no smokers non drinkers or anything else you can think of. Im really getting tired of the holier then thous in my face in a public place if its allowed and u dont like it take ur business else were

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Flip McWho
Aye, all this free market being thrown around.

Do you support regulated hours of work? Regulated minimum safety standards, quotas? tariffs? You know anything that restricts the market? How free do you want your market?

Why do we ban the sale of some drugs?

I'm asking for the drug to be banned or get off the backs of addicts that are paying massive amounts of taxes to the state.

[Tuberski]

Originally posted by Flip McWho


Fine you destroyed my analogy. Though I'd be interested in your opinion just to see how consistent you wish to remain.

But the question is, why is a bar and a club private property?

Unless they are a publicly traded company they are privately owned, therefore private property.

They reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

ACK

[Asher]

Originally posted by notyoueither
It's bull****.

I could form a club called "Smokers Only". I could arrange the club so it had no employees, only members.

Smoking would not be legal by the bylaws behind closed, and locked, doors.

I'm glad you think it's bull****.

The majority of people don't.

Since it's a health issue, tough ****. The people have spoken, your stupid habit needs to be taken outside. It's not THAT big a deal for you, just walk a few steps to smoke.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by notyoueither


I don't think porn stars should be allowed in any business where there are children.

in that analogy am i smoker or non smoker?

and should you be able to discriminate against me because of choices i made?

private prop people seem like states rights and segregationists: blacks can always go to other places if they dont like it.