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  • #151
    Even so, there are a hundred ways to mess up the integration with your other components.

    But mostly, I can see the downmixing on the fly as being the potentially troublesome area. As stated, it should go smoothly, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it take several revisions to get it right, if they stick with it.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #152
      The downmixing on the fly already exists in the 360 and there've been no complaints.

      Dolby Digital Plus is a 6Mbps codec (compared to Dolby Digital's 640 Kbps), with up to 13.1 channels. It's downmixed to 640Kbps DD 5.1 in realtime, and in reviews it sounds better than the DD 5.1 track included.

      This same technique is done by Toshiba's HD-A1 and HD-XA1. Right now the 360 does it to DD and Toshiba's to DTS, and the 360 update will also do DTS.
      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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      • #153
        Asher, I am sure the cost of manufacture of either the player or the disc has little to do with the pricing or with the profits at this stage of the game. Perhaps later, when prices come down. But, by then, we should see some cost reductions in Blu Ray due to technology improvements.

        When HD-DVD doubles its capacity to meet Blu Ray, Blu- Ray has the option to double its capacity as well. According to the experts, Blu Ray has an upper limit of 200 GB. HD-DVD: 60 GB.

        Thus, when HD has run out of gas, Blu Ray will still be going strong.
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        • #154
          Originally posted by Ned
          Asher, I am sure the cost of manufacture of either the player or the disc has little to do with the pricing or with the profits at this stage of the game. Perhaps later, when prices come down. But, by then, we should see some cost reductions in Blu Ray due to technology improvements.
          HD DVD is also going to see enormous cost improvements, always keeping ahead of blu ray.

          And you're bat**** crazy if you think the cost of the technology has nothign to do with the prices. Why do you think Bluray players are at least twice as expensive as HD DVD players? That's also why HD DVD is killing Bluray in sales, hardware and disc-wise.

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          When HD-DVD doubles its capacity to meet Blu Ray, Blu- Ray has the option to double its capacity as well. According to the experts, Blu Ray has an upper limit of 200 GB. HD-DVD: 60 GB.

          Thus, when HD has run out of gas, Blu Ray will still be going strong.
          Again, the problem isn't physical storage capacity. The problem is cost of production. It takes a lot of time and money to fill 200GB of data. It's stupidly high. It's not needed.

          60GB is TONS of space for enormous amounts of extras as well as the movie. Even then, they can add more discs for extras (3 disc set!) which is actually a good thing in perceived value by the consumers.
          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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          • #155
            Again, the problem isn't physical storage capacity. The problem is cost of production. It takes a lot of time and money to fill 200GB of data. It's stupidly high. It's not needed.

            60GB is TONS of space for enormous amounts of extras as well as the movie. Even then, they can add more discs for extras (3 disc set!) which is actually a good thing in perceived value by the consumers.
            How much space would we need in order to store movies encoded in a lossless format?
            Last edited by Nostromo; November 30, 2006, 10:49.
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            • #156
              1920 pixels x 1080 pixels x 2 bytes per pixel x 24 frames per second x 60 seconds per minute x 60 minutes per hour x 2 hours long = 716,636,160,000 bytes

              Compress to a lossless format.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #157
                You can have lossless compression, though...
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #158
                  Right. That's why I said "[c]ompress to a lossless format."
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #159
                    The best lossless video compression I know of provides a 3:1 ratio, meaning that for video alone (not including sound) is about 230GB.

                    There are no lossless video codecs supported by HD-DVD or Bluray.
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #160
                      1920 pixels x 1080 pixels x 2 bytes per pixel x 24 frames per second x 60 seconds per minute x 60 minutes per hour x 2 hours long = 716,636,160,000 bytes
                      That's about 667 GB. How much can we currently compress it with a lossless formats? By half? If so, you wouldn't have enough room on one of those 250 GB blueray disks.
                      Last edited by Nostromo; November 30, 2006, 11:08.
                      Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                      • #161
                        The max capacity for Bluray is theoretically 200GB. That's a quad-layer disc, very hard to produce en masse.

                        On a related matter...the Xbox 360 is slowly picking up steam in Japan.

                        Media Create Hardware Sales 13-19 November

                        DSL 128,621
                        PS3 42,099
                        PSP 16,690
                        PS2 15,068
                        Xbox360 4,050
                        GBASP 1,199
                        GBM 1,037
                        GC 514
                        DS 182
                        GBA 30

                        Media Create Hardware Sales 20-26 November

                        DSL 201,378
                        PS3 32,662
                        PSP 30,815
                        PS2 26,263
                        Xbox360 7,007
                        GBASP 1,264
                        GBM 1,235
                        GC 576
                        DS 212
                        GBA 27

                        A month ago it was selling 100-200 a week.

                        It's likely to be buoyed further now that Famitsu (the big Japanese gaming publication) gave the Japanese RPG "Blue Dragon" (by the FF creator) a very high score: 37/40 (10/9/9/9)
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #162
                          To be perfectly honest, it's my opinion that Blu-Ray is a superior format. That doesn't mean it'll win. Odds really aren't in its favor.

                          Why do I say this? Well, for one, it's Sony's format. Other such winning formats that they've backed: Betamax. Bookman. MiniDisc. MemoryStick. ATRAC. UMD.
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                          • #163
                            Not to mention CD
                            Let us be lazy in everything, except in loving and drinking, except in being lazy – Lessing

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                            • #164
                              Originally posted by nostromo
                              Not to mention CD
                              CD owes more to Philips than Sony, and had no competition.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #165
                                SACD!!!
                                Que l’Univers n’est qu’un défaut dans la pureté de Non-être.

                                - Paul Valery

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