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  • #46
    There is no way this should be illegal. Frankly, Ramo, I think you're letting your outrage compromise your principles.


    It should be illegal. The call is basically fraudulent. This sort of dishonesty severely distorts the democratic process. There are reports of supporters of Hodes calling his campaign to complain because they're being pestered by these robocalls.
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    • #47

      You keep using that word. I don't think you know how to spell it.


      That's what spell-checks are for
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      • #48
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        • #49
          I've gotten three calls since I got home today from the Republicans (and my missed call has "political phone call" 4 other times) so it's possible the Dems are pulling this as well.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Ramo
            There is no way this should be illegal. Frankly, Ramo, I think you're letting your outrage compromise your principles.


            It should be illegal. The call is basically fraudulent. This sort of dishonesty severely distorts the democratic process. There are reports of supporters of Hodes calling his campaign to complain because they're being pestered by these robocalls.
            A phone call saying "I'm calling about the X campaign" and presenting information about him should be illegal?

            Really, think about the implications of that re: free speech.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Ramo

              You keep using that word. I don't think you know how to spell it.


              That's what spell-checks are for
              Use it, then.

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              • #52
                No. Quit whining. This is an internet forum, not a scholarly paper.

                A phone call saying "I'm calling about the X campaign" and presenting information about him should be illegal?

                Really, think about the implications of that re: free speech.


                A robocall on behalf of a candidate or campaign committee should begin, and not end, with a disclaimer stating that it is on behalf of said candidate or campaign committee. The idea that this would kill free speech any more than the other restrictions we have on political advertising is nonsense.
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                • #53
                  I wonder how much voter surpression will occur tomorrow.
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                  • #54
                    What's that? Like, rain?
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Oerdin
                      I wonder how much voter surpression will occur tomorrow.
                      I wonder how many dead democrats will be voting in Chicago tommorrow
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Ming


                        I wonder how many dead democrats will be voting in Chicago tommorrow
                        No more than usual.
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                        • #57
                          Lets face it, calling people fifteen times in a row is harrasment. Combining that with the sponsor being identified at the end, very quickly, just makes it worse. This isn't a free speech issue. And it does confuse people. I've talked with a number of people today who were angry and confused at the Democrats. If they were angry because of any information provided in the call, that would be one thing. But they're angry because they think the call came from the Democrats, because there was a clear attempt to make them think that. There is absolutely no way that that should be legal.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                            I've never had a call from a political party that didn't clearly and unambiguously identify its origin in the first sentence. Sorry for you guys that your mockracy has been used to different standards.


                            So you're admitting you were wrong, then?
                            I think they're being ambiguous with a patently malevolent intent in mind. From what I remember working in a survey firm a few years ago, Canada makes it illegal not to identify yourself when calling on behalf of an organization. I don't know American law, but the Canadian approach makes sense.
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                            • #59
                              Combining that with the sponsor being identified at the end, very quickly, just makes it worse.


                              Just like every political ad on TV? You guys are really reaching for reasons to be outraged...

                              This isn't a free speech issue.


                              I beg to differ.

                              I think they're being ambiguous with a patently malevolent intent in mind.


                              That's not what you were claiming before. You were claiming that the Republicans were "posing as someone else in order to incriminate him." You were wrong.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                                That's not what you were claiming before. You were claiming that the Republicans were "posing as someone else in order to incriminate him." You were wrong.
                                I based my stance on the OP. But I don't want to argue the semantics indefinitely; being deliberately opaque about your identity is close to posing as, if not equal. Legally it may not, but ethically it's still a despicable move.

                                And BTW, this > pushpolling. Shame on you if you can't see the difference.
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