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    With most analysts predicting a Democratic takeover of the House on Tuesday, the GOP is clearly running scared. Sadly, there's nothing scarier than a scared GOP. Currently, the NRCC has launched an operation to robocall voters in many close elections, and pretend to be calling from the Democratic campaign. If the voter hangs up, the robocall will keep on calling six or seven times. If the caller doesn't hang up, the robocall will segue into Republican talking points (and maybe outright lies). These calls seem to occur most often during dinner or late at night.

    I bring this up for a couple of reasons. First, if you recieve one (or eight) of these calls, don't believe the script. Second, at what point do you cross the line from running a negative campaign to running a criminal campaign? In New Hampshire, these calls are illegal, and could cost the NRCC fines ranging to $100 million. But outside NH, they seem to be legal. And the Democratic campaigns simply cannot respond. In my district (NY 19), we are already talking to people who are mad at us for the calls. And while we can convince the people who complain to us that the calls aren't from us, how many people are out there who either will become less likely to vote, or will vote for our opponent, because of GOP deception and cheating?

    I wonder, are there any lines that the GOP will not cross to stave off defeat? (there was a letter sent out to hispanics on california saying that if legal immigrants showed up at the polls to vote, they would be arrested, even if they were registered to vote) If something is not outright illegal, does that make it an acceptable practice in a campaign? Do politicians have a responsibility to their constituents and to the idea of Democracy, or is the only thing of importance the win?

    Some people believe that this is inevitable, that politicians are all dirty crooks desperately trying to look less slimy than the other guy. I think that they are only because we let them. I think that if we care at all about the health of our electoral system, we should reject candidates who embrace such tactics.
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    • #3
      Why aren't you also doing it, then?
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      • #4
        Who says they aren't?
        I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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        • #5
          Apparently DanS, otherwise he'd be in a fit over it.
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          • #6
            To answer your question, there is no line that the GOP will not cross.

            Some of my most jokingly paranoid predictions made years ago about the fate of American democracy really don't seem to crazy anymore

            At least they didn't start a war to stave off this loss like in 2002.
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            • #7
              Re: Winning at any Cost

              Originally posted by Admiral
              I wonder, are there any lines that the GOP will not cross to stave off defeat?
              I think this is your answer:

              Originally posted by DanS
              In other words, no, there aren't, and they're simply stunned anyone would ever ask that question. After all, electing Republicans is what God wants His children to do, so of course, Republicans have to "help" to make sure God's will is done on earth.
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              • #8
                Yep, this is remarkably shameless. Even for the modern Republican Party. Apparentely the NRCC is running this scam in a number of districts. Sad to say that these sorts of dirty tricks work, but hopefully there'll be enough fines to **** the organization for a couple yars.
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                • #9
                  I read a similar article about suspect Democratic telephone polls. So the real questions is whether either party will do anything to win.
                  It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                  • #10
                    Re: Winning at any Cost

                    Originally posted by Admiral
                    In New Hampshire, these calls are illegal, and could cost the NRCC fines ranging to $100 million.
                    So much for "Live for or Die"....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rah
                      I read a similar article about suspect Democratic telephone polls. So the real questions is whether either party will do anything to win.
                      There is a slight difference. Individual Democratic campaigns may or may not be engaged in illicit/fraudulent tactics, but if they are, they are local, and may not even be approved by the candidate. I know a guy who in 2002 staged a yard sign burglary from a Democratic campaign headquarters, implicating Republican operatives. If the campaign knew what he did, they would have fired him and publically condemned him. In this case, it is a national program, targetting I believe 51 districts. There is no way that the Republican campaigns are not complicit. And there is no way that this doesn't reflect on the national party.

                      But by all means, don't support a Democrat who is trying to win through cheating. The Democratic system is more important than any one individual race.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Admiral


                        There is a slight difference. Individual Democratic campaigns may or may not be engaged in illicit/fraudulent tactics, but if they are, they are local, and may not even be approved by the candidate.


                        May not even be approved by the candidate.



                        Sorry living in Chicago does kind of warp your thinking when it comes to Democratic campaigning.

                        But I'm sure if the Republicans ever got control here, they would equally spirited.
                        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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                        • #13
                          I was wondering how long it would take before one of you Kos readers finally brought this up. You're getting slow...

                          The robocalling, while ethically questionable, is really clever and effective. In other words, a great political move. I think the Dems are just pissed that they didn't think of it first...
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                          • #14
                            The robocalling, while ethically questionable, is really clever and effective. In other words, a great political move.
                            "Great" meaning, this ploy convinces voters to vote based reasons other than the issues.

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                            • #15
                              The dems have there own methods.

                              The dem one I read would call you and ask who you were voting for in a certain race. If you answered the Demo candidate, it would thank you for your support. If you said the repub candiate it would launch into a string of questions like
                              "Does the fact that Congressman Mark Kirk accepts special-interest money make you think of him more favorably or less favorably?"

                              So, if you are a supporter of Kirk--the Republican from the north suburban 10th Congressional District who is seeking re-election against Democrat Dan Seals--how are you supposed to answer? Oh, sure, I want my congressman to take special-interest money, so it makes me think more favorably of him.

                              Which is exactly how Kati, being Kati, answered. Then came four more questions of the same nature, each trying to make Kirk look like he was doing something wrong. And each time, Kati answered that she thinks more favorably of him. She even had the interviewer chuckling. But actually, it wasn't so funny.

                              "It's like Mark Kirk went out and shot 100 people," she said. "What kind of poll is this anyway?"
                              It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                              RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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