The Purty Skyline and Architecture Thread

[Ninot]

I want to remember

almost 40 years since a Leafs cup

[notyoueither]

Now you're just being mean. Perfect company for Asher though.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Asher
How pathetic is that, truly? Have you nothing else in your city to be proud of than past victories in marginal games by sub-marginal players?

What's pathetic is that if someone from Edmonton posts about just about anything, like say a picture a grain elevator in Saskatchewan, someone from Calgary can be counted on to turn the discussion towards Edmonton.

Don't play if you don't want to eat it, sweetheart.

[Ninot]

Noone called me sweetheart.

[notyoueither]

I'll have to get to know you a little better, but you might be a sweetheart if you try hard enough.

[notyoueither]

dp

[notyoueither]

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

I like this building as well.

[laurentius]

Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
It is technically a separate city. Period. And don't ever consider La Défense to be "Paris" either, because technically it's in Hauts-de-Seine. And those office towers from Manila I posted? Technically not "Manila" either, but Makati. And those highrises in Brussels? Well, technically half of them are in Brussels, another portion in Schaarbeek and the remainder in Sint-Joost-ten-Node. You got municipal borders running straight through the main business district. And I can't consider it to be the same city? Puh-leassss.

Okay, first I thought you were just trying to sound witty but now I realise that its your ignorance talking.

You can throw a thousand more poor comparisons at me if you want to but it wont change the fact that Tokyo and Yokohama are two different entities and thus their skylines are unique as well. One last time I will try to explain this to you. There are some differences you might not know about.

1) Unlike Westminster or La Defense the Tokyo metro doesnt reach to Yokohama. Instead you have to take the Japan Railways train.

2) Unlike Westminster with its 244 000 or La Defense with its 20 thousand inhabitants Yokohama is home to 3,6 million people.

3) Unlike Westminster(0,8 km from London City) or La Defense Yokohama is situated 30 km South of Tokyo with the City of Kawasaki in between them.

Some further notes: Tokyo(excluding Chiba, Kawasaki or Yokohama) is divided into 62 wards, 23 of them special wards marking the core of the City of Tokyo. These wards are more like London borough of City of Westminster or La defense, they have their own councils and mayors for example. Most of Tokyos skyscrapers are located in the Shinjuku ward just like La Defense in Paris and with its 300 000 inhabitants it closely resembles Westminster too. Other special wards with certain level of autonomy include the Chuo ward where Ginza is located. Maronouchi and Shibuya are also special wards next to the imperial palace, and formerly independent cities.

Yokohama itself is home to 18 wards, or places like Westminster and La defense.

Tokyo is its own prefecture, so is Chiba. Kawasaki and Yokohama are part of the Southern Kanagawa prefecture. Together the three(+Saitama) are considered part of the Greater Tokyo area(東京圏, Tōkyō-ken), The South Kanto region(南関東, Minami-Kantō), the Tokyo-Yokohama Capital region(首都圏, Shuto-ken) or the Keihin Industrial Area.

So were not talking about just monicipal borders here but prefecturial.



So here we are. Tokyo and Yokohama have their suburbs grown together. On a quick look it may seem like they are the same metro area, but its actually much more complicated than that. Westminster and La Defense bear more resemblance to the 23 special wards of Tokyo than to Yokohama. And just like La Defense is home to the modern Paris skyline, Shinjuku ward is where the Tokyo skyscrapers have concentrated.

When people talk about Tokyo, they talk about the 23 wards. If they want to include Yokohama too, they have to specify it. The scale of there metropolises can be confusing sometimes, after all we are talking about region with over 40 million inhabitants. Theres room for many many metropolises there.

[laurentius]

More awesomeness from Tokyo-Yokohama.



This is downtown Tokyo seen from the Kawasaki industrial complex.



Yokohama seen from the same spot.



The Tokyo tower with Mori building and the Roppongi Hills on the background.



Tokyo Teleport Town.



Telecom Center there.



Bigsight there.



Fuji TV at the Teleport town.

[laurentius]

Hong Kong









Frankfurt am Main



Oh I just have to include this...Tokyo Station

[Colonâ„¢]

Laurentius, they are two separate ADMINISTRATIVE entities. Like Hauts-de-Seine and Paris are separate administrative entities. That the borders aren't municipal, but prefecturial, that there's another administrative entity in between, how many people live in the entity... are all completely irrelevant, because you still don't get the point. You are talking about ADMINISTRATIVE distinctions, I am talking about the de facto situation that Yokohama and Tokyo have formed a single city. Most people people in this world don't loose too much sweat about administrative technicalities because they realise that they're exactly that: administrative. In the real world, cities are cities because they got a huge mass of buildings standing next to one another, and you are not going to notice the difference between either when you walk from Yokahama into Tokyo.

[laurentius]

So I take it you did not even read my reply. Because I quite clearly stated that theres much more than just administrative borders in Tokyo-Yokohama.

I've never even heard about Hauts-de-Seine before but I'm sure you have heard about Yokohama. That happens to be totally independent metropolis with its own downtown, suburbs etc. Together with Kawasaki and Chiba they from a megalopolis called the Greater Tokyo Area. I know I'm repeating myself but with your logic greater New York would include NJ, Philadelphia, Baltimore and even DC. It doesn work that way.

Particularily in Japan where land is scarce and valuable, many cities have grown together. Osaka, Kobe and Kyoto metroplex is another example of 3 major cities totally agglomerated together. Still most of the time people dont consider that urban area as just Osaka, but Osaka, Kobe or Kyoto.

I dont know if its usefull to discuss this any further since you dont seem to get my point or have passed the point where you could admit being ignorant without embarrassing yourself.

[Colonâ„¢]

For chrissake, condescending twit. I've been knowing very well they have prefectures and wards. I just don't share that pigeonholed fixation of yours on administrative entities to outline cities. Do you even remember your own first post? You started of by saying "but unlike Tokyo its technically part of the Kanagawa prefecture."

And I just don't happen care about that technicality. Why they hell do you think the pigeonholers even bothered to create the concept of "Greater Tokyo Area". Because it's the same bloody urban entity.

[laurentius]

You asked what was the difference. I told you.

But yeah I get it now. In your simplified world Yokohama=Tokyo.

Because YOU dont give a DAMN about "technicalities".

How cro-magnon.

[Colonâ„¢]

PHYSICAL difference, for pete's sake. Call it Tokyo, call it Tokyo-Yokohama or call it all Yokohama for all I care. It's the same friggin city, in all but an administrative sense. The world over cities have swallowed, neighbouring villages, towns and other cities, exactly because the built-up areas touched. But not Tokyo. Nooo, Tokyo and Yokohama cannot be a single city because they got separate administrations. According to your logic, one can only accept the concept of London as a city of millions because some enlightened fellow came up with the idea of the Greater London administration. Thank god not everyone needs to be spoon-fed with administrative definitions before they come to the realisation something is actually city.