Police Murder twice in 6 months in town of 26,000

[kittenOFchaos]

Realpolitik, what is keeping you from moving away from Dumpsville USA? Population 24999 druggies, you and a exasperated police force.

[Dinner]

He is one of those romantic lefties who acts as a sometimes homeless vagabond. He believes the world owes him a living and that the cops shouldn't be allowed to defend themselves when some druggy points a gun at them.

[realpolitic]

Oerdin, you seem to know information about me that I didn't, but that is typical of judgemental right wingers. No, I was broke at the time, ever noticed how many jobs have been outsourced recently? I can live with the inconvience, but it would be nice not to have right wingers kick me around.

However, I understand how frustrated you are. You may be. I suggest you write the people who have told the Sherriff that they are using excessive force.

Supreme Court of the United States
One First Street N.E.
Washington, DC 20543

They romantise drug use so much, they put a drug crazed murderer in The White House.

[kittenOFchaos]

Bush couldn't ever be described as crazed in his time in office, comatose perhaps, but never crazed.

You didn't bother to answer me RP, was Oerdin on the money?

[realpolitic]

I've carried pepper spray I very much believe in self defense. I've also never had a problem with cops anywhere, until I cricisied them at a Eureka city Council meeting.

Until last March, the cops would kill about once every four years, does anyone beleve that meth use has grown 20 fold since then?

A doctor said the cause of death in the sixth case was LSD poisoning, after the victim was severly beaten, even though there's been only one well documented case of that in history, yet you'll blindly believe anything they say.

"How fortunate for leaders that people don't think."
- Hitler

Oerdin, I realise that the standards for Southern California Police are different, but after decades of following these practices, LA is now America's cesspool.

[realpolitic]

I don't romatise drug use, it's an awful thing. America's war on drugs has failed, a fourth of all people incarcerated in the world are in Americans , but don't take my word for it, here's what some cops say.

[realpolitic]

One of the problems in Eureka as many of us saw it, was the police constantly trying to rack up statistics, they tried to entrap me in a resisting arrest, and others had the same story. Of course, any sane person is going to leave town, the druggies stay, there is no competent rehab and people who have left were the peacemakers, now there are plenty of druggies and not much else.

To get such a huge jump in statistics, it can't just be an increase in drug use. There are stories that the feds were giving the cops "performance enhancing drugs". They definately were vicious I don't know where they would have put me, they're releasing everyone early because of overcrowding even though they have that huge jail.

I don't see what the big deal is with pot, for eigther side, but AFAIC it's much easier to let it slide. Meth is completely different, it litterally distroys the amygdala, the emotional control section of the brain, particularly if the user has a niacin difficent diet, and there are tweekers who live off Top Ramen.

As for herion, the sadest, emptiest look I've ever seen was in the eyes of a friend who had gotten back into it months earilier. It also takes the life of intellegent people, a friend of mine, who had an expert rating in chess, and a good understanding of politics OD'd a decade ago.

There are real human beings trapped by drugs. Yes, they made a stupid choice, and their life is miserable or will be soon.

I did come to Humboldt for 2 reasons - gorgeous redwoods, and to be around rebels. Unfortunately, the rebels have taken a very wrong turn, and the huge jump in police killings indicates the city has persued the wrong policies in dealing with it.

[Jon Miller]

I agree that nutrition is a much better answer for a lot of our problems then more drugs.

JM
(I Am happy to be off my blood pressure medication.)

[kittenOFchaos]

Originally posted by realpolitic

There are real human beings trapped by drugs. Yes, they made a stupid choice, and their life is miserable or will be soon.

Even at my lowest ebb, I'd never think, AH the solution is to get high on heroin. In your town people surely see what the drug does first hand and yet are still taking it.

Sure the Government could play nurse-maid, but is that really the role of Government to bail out people not willing to make a going concern of their lives? The fact they've just stayed in a sink-hole and not moved out (like Mexicans do) to find work just shows that. The horizon of these people is more than likely no more than 2 km from where they live.

TBH addicts to heroin need to be interned in a drug-free area until they're clean, then given a chance to rebuild there lives, no just be loose to shoot up, steal and spread STDs.

[kittenOFchaos]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I agree that nutrition is a much better answer for a lot of our problems then more drugs.

JM
(I Am happy to be off my blood pressure medication.)

Breeding licences are the way forward. No kids that are in homes where they can't be supported, where the parents can't or won't teach them to read by age 4.

Also if parents can't make an omelette, no kids.

[realpolitic]

So KC, criminals like Bush get to have ash many kids as they like, because they can steal from the rest of us?

What are you going to do with
1) The kids who are already born?
2) The kids who are born between now and when (and if) you get your plan implemented?

"The bedroom is the theatre of the poor."
- Francis bacon

Unfortunately, poor people have many more kids than the rich.

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Nothing I've said means I want preditors to run free. I recently used that pepper spray on a very drunk Mexican bully who was about to assault me. Today, a judge instructed me on using wnderful legal tool - the restraing order. Gaining control is sometimes neccarsary, just don't use it to target a whole group of people.

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by kittenOFchaos


Breeding licences are the way forward. No kids that are in homes where they can't be supported, where the parents can't or won't teach them to read by age 4.

Also if parents can't make an omelette, no kids.

I dont' think I was reading at age 4.

JM

[OneFootInTheGrave]

time to move to a bit healthier environment

[realpolitic]

Just want to close the loose ends (if anyone is still interested). I've been in MEGA Burnout, so it took a long time. For the last 2 1/2 years, I've been in an extremely kind. sleepy small town, and able to appreciate both qualities immensely.

There are no assaultive billionaires here, nor millionaires who only live for $$$. The main force here are the churches, and they do err on the side of codependancy. The homeless are tamer here. There are no "activists" who believe their job is insulting any businessnesspeople (even in Eureka, many have conciousnesses, but have thrown up their hands, or are totally out of touch from lack of communication). Anyone can get food, churches seve 19 meals a week, and I believe kids can get 15 free meals at schools. People can go to the food bank once a week. There is a supervisor at Mental Health who gives nutrition classes. People who do go downhill go down slower, although they do go down, usually also while neglecting nutrition. The worst troublemakers go back to prison, although there is one person in town who probably deserves to go. It doesn't have a reputation as a "party town", because the possibilities for getting help make it less attractive The third person who was killed by the Eureka PD was a meth using child molester who was attracted by Eureka's "party town" reputation.

As for Eureka, I'm happy about the changes that have happened since 2007:

From the city and county:

Getting a literate police chief,
an ombudsman,
California's first rural civilian Police Review Board (a neccesity there, but not many other jusidictions)

I also wrote Schwartznegger, and the state attorney general, and they agrred with me on the most important remedies:

Making counties pay more of the cost of jails, so they can't profit from incaration,
Investigating the "Clean and Sober" houses, which in Eureka, tends to be where the dope addicts live.

I also wrote my Congressman, two then-Senators who had an interest in Police Brutality

California Senator Barbara Boxer,
and Barrack Obama (who sponsored a bill requiring Illinois police to videotape all Capital interigations and as only he could, convinced many cops that it was a good idea)

My main premises were that Humboldt, with a 14x the National OD rate and its extreme policies were a textbook case on how to create mental illness with stress, and studying Humboldt would be extremely useful, in coming up with better polices.

Humboldt is now in a 21 year federal study.

Even the PTSD the cops gave me might be used in a positive way. Things got bad recently, and to deal with stress, I decided to try something that was used in a very different way in biology --a DNA methylation protocol. It worked so well, my blood pressure went down, my life improved, and a great woman moved in. I'm taking the results to the nutrition oriented Mental health Supervisor to see if he can use it.