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    Police fan out in outskirts of Paris By JEAN-MARIE GODARD, Associated Press Writer
    2 hours, 17 minutes ago



    Police fanned out around the outskirts of Paris amid fears of renewed violence Friday as mourners marked the deaths a year ago of two teenagers that ignited riots in largely immigrant housing projects across France.

    The outburst of anger at the accidental deaths of the youths, electrocuted in a power substation while hiding from police, led to three weeks of unrest and grew into a broader challenge against the French state that has continued to simmer.

    The number of cars incinerated was unusually high overnight throughout France, and in recent days, attackers have torched four buses after forcing off passengers in the outskirts of Paris. Within the past several weeks, police have been ambushed in several organized attacks.

    Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy pledged Thursday to assign police to protect buses serving some of the troubled communities, and more than 500 extra riot police have been assigned to beef up security this week.

    Last year's events jolted France into recognizing its failure to offer its 5 million Muslims, and its minorities — especially those of Arab and black African origin — a fair shake. Instead of France's vaunted "egalite," or equality, immigrants and their French-born children suffer police harassment, struggle to find work, and live in cinderblock public housing rife with crime and poverty.

    The government passed an equal opportunities law this spring and has poured funds into "sensitive" areas, but disenchantment still reigns.

    On Friday, several hundred residents of Clichy-sous-Bois and other communities outside Paris held a silent march in honor of Zyed Benna and Bouna Traore, the teens of African descent who took refuge in a power substation from what they thought was a police chase on Oct. 27, 2005. In the minds of young people here, it was fear of police that led to their deaths.

    The police presence at Friday's march was discreet.

    Carrying a banner reading "Dead For Nothing," families of the teens led the ethnically diverse crowd away from city hall toward the power station.

    "They became a symbol in the projects," said a cousin of Traore who gave her name as Coulibaly.

    A memorial to the youths was erected near city hall later Friday; the site where they died was adorned only with the graffiti and rubble that are the signature of such neighborhoods, until family members placed flowers beside the fence on Friday.

    Clichy-sous-Bois has no police station, so officers patrolling here come from outside and have no connection to residents. There is no public transport and few here have private cars, leaving most people virtually trapped. Unemployment among its 28,000 residents is well above the 9 percent national average, at 23.5 percent, and rises to 32 percent for those between the ages of 15 and 24, according to the newspaper La Croix.

    Some 100 cars were torched overnight to Friday nationwide, half of them in the Paris region, police officials said. The figure was higher than the usual nightly toll, but well below the more than 1,400 cars burned in the most fiery night of last year's violence.

    France's inability to better integrate minorities and the recent violence have become key issues in the campaign for next year's presidential and parliamentary elections.

    Candidates for the opposition Socialist Party's presidential nomination criticized the government's handling of the issue during a debate Thursday night ahead of next month's party primary.

    Former Prime Minister Laurent Fabius said the recent flare-up of violence showed the government's policies are a "total failure."

    "One year ago, Bouna and Zyed were burned to a cinder," he said. "Nothing has changed" since then, he said.

    The 500 additional police officers pulled in to the outskirts of Paris this week will be in five units meant to reinforce the 13 units already assigned to the area.

    "It's better to be over-prepared than to come up short," said Marc Gautron, national secretary of the UNSA police union.

    Another police union, Alliance, called for officers to stage protests in front of city halls across France on Nov. 13.

    "Police cannot be the only ones to confront the difficulties of the suburbs," said Alliance Secretary General Jean-Claude Delange
    Apparently, things have not changed for the better since last year:

    CLICHY-SOUS-BOIS, France—A new hulk of metal has appeared amid the high-rise projects of this Paris suburb during the last week: the charred carcass...


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  • #2
    No time to tell rght now (gotta leave to a birhtday), but some tidbits:

    Past-year riots have been in the mediatic spotlights for more than a week here
    There are intelligence reports of increasing tensions in some suburbs. The worst is expected in the Paris metro, and if there are riots, they should have more organization and less spontaneity than last year, according to reports.
    Tensions between the police and ghetto youth seems to have worsened these past two weeks.
    Very little has changed in the actual situation of the ghettoes since last year. A little bit better on the upside, a little bit worse on the downside. In any case, it's not significant enough to prevent further riots from occuring at some point.
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    • #3
      France to Erupt?


      Only certain segments of France, so it would seem.

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      • #4
        Make arson and vandalism crimes where people spend decades in prison. Tell the criminals they have the choice of either spending the next 15 years in jail or go back to their home countries. Problem solved.
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        • #5
          They have to restore order first to do that.

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          • #6
            Hey, has the Ramadan ended already? Are they even allowed to perform acts of arson and vandalism at this time!?

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            • #7
              Oerdin, not so simple though.. most of these youth are born in France. They might be even 3rd generation immigrants. It might be impossible to deport, I mean I think it is. Plus, you'd have to deport tons of folks, if one is caught in this action.

              However, if there's a reason to .. riot like this just because it's the anniversary of some crap like this, what the hell, go for it. Destroy everything you can and if some gets hurt in the clash with the cops they seek, so be it. You can't blame society without end. Some extent yes, but it reaches a certain limit. In my opinion the limit has been passed already.

              Anyone who wants to stay out of trouble should refuse to go out in gangs at this moment and if they choose to do so, **** them all up.

              Oh and the virtual *tear drop*

              Nothing but punks at this point.
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              • #8
                I'm SO glad I don't live in France.

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                • #9
                  Well you have a cycle of destruction there right now.

                  The youth in those areas feel isolated, that they have very little opportunities and maybe that the government does not want to help that situation in any way. So some of them get angry, you get the whole mob phenomenon, they get caught up in it, it's exciting, for some it's fun, and some just plain join because it's a riot.

                  On the other hand, they effectively destroy the future chances with this action.. destroying stuff, they just make people mad, get their asses in jail and further alienate themselves from the society.

                  Solution? None.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Whoha
                    They have to restore order first to do that.
                    Call in the army. See a guy burning city buses? Shoot him. See a guy lighting cars on fire? Shoot him. So some **** bag breaking into stores and looting? Shoot him too.

                    Eventually the **** bags will learn that acting like animals gets you shoot like an animal. Then you arrest everyone else who you can identify as being involed in this crime spree and send them up river for a very, very, very long time.

                    A weak response to this sort of dilerberate criminal enterprise only encourages more crime. Make the max penalties stiffer and then give everyone max penalties.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Pekka
                      Oerdin, not so simple though.. most of these youth are born in France. They might be even 3rd generation immigrants.
                      It's very simple. Tell them you have a choice, 20 years in a maximium security prison where you won't be able to piss much less anything else with out three letters of approval or you get the hell out. If the get the hell out part doesn't fly then you simply find a nice dark hole where you toss them in for the rest of their natural lives.

                      Then you ask if anyone other ****bag wants to burn down buildings, cars, and buses.
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                      • #12
                        Of course that goes for white folk too, right?
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                        • #13
                          I guess FFL could restore the situation pretty fast. They have a tendency to kill uprisings involving all kinds of combatants. Usually it involves 10000000 deaths on the other side and 1 casualty on their side. So their presence has a natural calming effect these days.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Oerdin
                            Call in the army.
                            If they were going to do that, they would have done it in the 60's to avoid having a government overthrown by student rioters. They are on thier 5th republic after all.
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                            • #15
                              Is there any truth to the accusation that France puts up with this type of ****e for a period of time and then reacts violently.

                              The implication was that the Nancys in the government allow the thugs to get away with crap so long the the thugs think they can keep pushing the issue with more and more violence, that is until they go too far and the crack down comes in an extreme way.
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