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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Where is the Iraqi WMD then?
Where is the Iraqi WMD then?
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Shouldn't you be asking that of the 'Dear Leader' of the US?
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NK got its know-how from Pakistan, which got blueprints for a bomb from China, which is a signatory to the NPT.Originally posted by MOBIUS
The moment Israel made a mockery of the NPT with the US' tacit approval, you could bet your bottom dollar nations around the world jumped on the nuclear bandwagon...
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THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTFComment
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we'd have to go after their patron with an embargo and actually follow through with it for that to work.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Sanctions. Right. Sanctions didn't work at all with rational actors like Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein, but I'm sure they'll have a powerful effect on the meglomanaical dwarf running NK...
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Discussing something with Mobius is like talking to yourself.
He has no conception that he can hear more if he listens.Last edited by SlowwHand; October 10, 2006, 10:17.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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sanctions on Fidel were by one power alone. That clearly wont work. Iraq had oil.Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly
Sanctions. Right. Sanctions didn't work at all with rational actors like Fidel Castro and Saddam Hussein, but I'm sure they'll have a powerful effect on the meglomanaical dwarf running NK...
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would the Nkor army officers follow orders in that scenario?Originally posted by Odin
If Kim thought collapse was imminent he'll most likely decide to go out with a blaze of glory and order all that artillery aimed at Seoul to fire, so starving them into rebellion wouldn't be a good idea..."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.†Martin BuberComment
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Which is why SKorea and China will continue to hand over aid to the North. No matter how much the South blathers about reunification that's the last thing that the government wants.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
AIUI, if China and SKor cut off aid they will literally starve. Collapse would come quickly then.Stop Quoting BenComment
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No.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Where did India get theirs...?Originally posted by LordShiva
NK got its know-how from Pakistan, which got blueprints for a bomb from China, which is a signatory to the NPT.
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Maybe these countries wouldn't have been so set on getting nukes if they hadn't seen that the NPT could be flouted with impunity...
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Actually, India, Israel, and Pakistan aren't even signatories to the NPT, so no flouting was involved. Iran and NK willingly accepted the conditions imposed on them by the treaty, and then broke it.Originally posted by MOBIUS
Maybe these countries wouldn't have been so set on getting nukes if they hadn't seen that the NPT could be flouted with impunity...
THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTFComment
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Oh yeah, forgot about that...
Another weakness of the NPT...Comment
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Where indeed. Why then all of the acting like they had something to hide? Why not let the UN mandated inspectors in to prove everyone was wrong?Originally posted by DinoDoc
Where is the Iraqi WMD then?
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China issues warning to North Korea
A South Korean conservative activist holds a placard during an anti-North Korea rally in Seoul. Japan has urged the international community to retaliate with sanctions on North Korea as nations across Asia and the world considered what to do next after Pyongyang tested an atomic bomb.(AFP/Jung Yeon-Je)Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Obviously one has to be concerned about NK selling bombs and those bombs finding their way into the hands of nutbags who might actually use them on us.
I don't fear NK, though - never have. The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Unfortunately, we have for some time waffled between doing that, yelling at them, and giving them stuff. Meh.
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Those of you asking why Bush didn't do anything to NK:
1. NK would have been at least ten times harder to invade than Iraq. Short of bombing the entire nation into small pieces of sand, we'd have had a VERY hard time attacking them. Not only could they instantly retaliate in a very dangerous manner against SK, but they have a huge army, iirc something like the fifth or sixth largest standing army in the world. Sure we'd win, but we'd have lost a LOT more in the process. NK is quite safe from military action as long as they don't actively threaten anyone else.
2. What else other than military action do you want him to do? Sanctioning them is practically cruel, as it would just starve them further, and beyond that we don't really have any capabilities against them. We can't realistically sanction Pakistan or whatnot without ironclad proof that they supplied the weapons.
So rather than accusing him of not doing anything, what would you have preferred to be done?
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