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What I've never figured out here is why atheists are so consumed with religion and starting threads about religion.
Looks to me like you'd rather talk about something you believe.
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
What I've never figured out here is why atheists are so consumed with religion and starting threads about religion.
I would wager that the vast majority of atheists don't start threads on religion
However, many atheists see religion as a very negative force upon the world, and hence if it is possible to convince people out of it or at least inform them of another view on the matter....great.
Many people in general just like to argue
From a Christian perspective, I would say that God created the potential for sin but did not create sin itself. God is holy so it would be impossible for God to create sin. But God did create the potential for sin when he gave humanity free will. Humanity created sin.
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Originally posted by SlowwHand
I don't believe that.
I do. It's quite obvious that many atheists have strong moral urges and complex moral systems. I just happen to think that, on closer examination, no non-religious system of ethics provides an adequate answer to the question "why be good?" Atheists are still capable of being moral because, like all (or almost all--don't know enough about APD to say conclusively) human beings, they still have a conscience.
I found one of the more recent threads I started to try and explain my position, BTW. As a bonus, it includes some nonsense from Philosophiser and several pages of failure-to-communicate between myself and BlackCat:
Does this mean, that if we were to go by your opinion, that atheists cannot have any moral qualms about obvious wrongs, such as murder, rape, stealing, and so on just because they do not believe in any God?
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
I'm too lazy to read several pages of that
But tell me, in a religious system of ethics, what is the answer to "why be good?"
From what I see, the reason tends to be "Because if you aren't, God will punish you". But that isn't particularly a reason to be good, only to act in a way God tells you.
No moral system can provide you a reason to be good, because no moral system is logical or rational. You have no reason to be "good". You have no reason not to be "good". You have no reason for doing anything, except the reasons you give yourself.
I suppose I could simply modify the religionist answer: You should be good because if you aren't, others will punish you. I prefer being good because I want to be good.
In fact, some psychologist (I'll try and find his name) suggested that humans are moral because they recognise that other humans are entities like themselves, and similarly capable of feeling pain. Don't need religion to realise that.
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Originally posted by LordShiva
In fact, some psychologist (I'll try and find his name) suggested that humans are moral because they recognise that other humans are entities like themselves, and similarly capable of feeling pain. Don't need religion to realise that.
Better I treat my fellow human as I wish to be treated myself, than to treat other people as ordered to by a religion.
Theists worry that atheists have nothing to keep them on the rails. Atheists, however, may worry about theists who only stay on the rails for the fear of God, rather than for the love of man.
Atheists don't understand religionists at all, I am thinking. I don't do things out of a fear of God. I do things out of a love of God and a love of Man.
Fear isn't a primary function in Christianity. The two Greatest Commandments are these:
Love God with all your heart.
Love your fellow man as yourself.
JM
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