Happy reunification day, my fellow Kraut posters

[Barnabas]

Maybe a bit (or a lot), but still it seems like russians and poles (and jews obviously) suffered far more. I guess that is what Eli means.

But killing millions of germans after ww2 in revenge (till justice was served) would have been bad and made the winners the same as hitler.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Wycoff


So the millions of Germans who were displaced after the war and driven out of the east, the thousands upon thousands (millions by some estimates) who were killed as a result of the expulsion, and the loss of over a quarter of their territory doesn't count as justice? Not even a little bit?

Poland suffered the same after the war -loss of half of territory, and getting some, but half less, expulsion of population from the east, and it was on the winning side and one of the biggest victims of ww2. Additionally, it was forced entirely into the soviet sphere of influence.
Germans should not whine.

[Patroklos]

We did an unrep with the FGS Spessart over here on national day, those guys had obviously been celebrating.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Heresson
Germans should not whine.

Indeed, and they don't.

[Jaguar]

Shouldn't this be in the history forum?[/annoying]

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
Maybe a bit (or a lot), but still it seems like russians and poles (and jews obviously) suffered far more.

Maybe it's because the German expulsion after WW2 isn't covered 24/7 on the history channel. It's a little fact of history that gets obscured because the Third Reich was the bad guy.

The Germans provoked the retribution, don't get me wrong. However, it's wrong to think that the Germans committed atrocities yet got away scott free. The German people paid heavily for their crimes. That's why I think that his comment is a bit strange.

But killing millions of germans after ww2 in revenge (till justice was served) would have been bad and made the winners the same as hitler.

Unfortunately, that's basically what happened.

[Gangerolf]

Let's just say no country benefited from that war.

Except Switzerland and Sweden.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wycoff


Unfortunately, that's basically what happened.

Er, no. Im no fan of ethnic cleansing, but its not the same as genocide.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Wycoff


Maybe it's because the German expulsion after WW2 isn't covered 24/7 on the history channel. It's a little fact of history that gets obscured because the Third Reich was the bad guy.
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If you hang around with the more right wing Zionists, as I sometimes do, you actually hear it mentioned quite alot.

[Eli]

The Germans provoked the retribution, don't get me wrong. However, it's wrong to think that the Germans committed atrocities yet got away scott free. The German people paid heavily for their crimes. That's why I think that his comment is a bit strange.

What I meant to say is that while I agree that the Germans paid heavily, I think that they should've paid even more. The civilian population suffered enough, yes.

But what happened to all the people who made the Nazi state function, all it's layers of bureaucracy? To all the surviving Wehrmacht soldiers? I dont care much about the lower layer bureaucrats and the common troopers, but I wouldnt have shed any tears if all the higher ranks were put against the wall.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Wycoff


Maybe it's because the German expulsion after WW2 isn't covered 24/7 on the history channel. It's a little fact of history that gets obscured because the Third Reich was the bad guy.

I am pretty sure that people know more about resettlement of Germans after the war than resettlement of Poles in the same time. Germans don't know about it, for instance. Who knows about Warsaw uprising, for example? And it's one of the biggest and longest ww2 battles, and one of the worst german atrocities. And there are plenty more.
The only sufferings that get constant media coverage are jewish ones.

The Germans provoked the retribution, don't get me wrong. However, it's wrong to think that the Germans committed atrocities yet got away scott free. The German people paid heavily for their crimes. That's why I think that his comment is a bit strange.

Again, Germans paid heavily, but they got better treatment after ww2 than Poles.
And while other central-eastern european countries were better of than Poland, for mostly they haven't lost their territory, sometimes gained, weren't as much devastated etc, they got under soviet rule for a half of century, so in the long run, their fate was worse than of Germans

Originally posted by Spiffor

Indeed, and they don't.

They do

[BeBMan]

Everybody knows about the Warsaw uprising.

Edit: and oh and re whining - if by "don't whine" you in fact mean "better forget the little unpleasant things done by other sides of the war" - sorry, that won't happen.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Heresson
The only sufferings that get constant media coverage are jewish ones.

Most works on the holocaust Ive read give plenty of attention to Roma, Poles, Russian POWs, etc. Lately theres been new focus on the plight of gays. Im sorry if the added attention to a group that the Germans wanted to exterminate to the last man woman and child, and that was hunted down all across europe, and that was central to Nazi ideology, that Hitler talked about in his last will, etc upsets you.

[lord of the mark]

http://www.ushmm.org/education/resource/poles/poles.php?menu=/export/home/www/doc_root/education/foreducators/include/menu.txt&bgcolor=CD9544

[Barnabas]

He also wanted to exterminate slavs, to empty their lands, and repopulate them with the german race, if I recall correctly