Is Jesus Lord?

[Japher]

This thread isn't about me, per se. It's about parents forcing religion on their kids...

[Elok]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
Japher, please don't indoctrinate your daughter with such nonsense. Give a proper upbringing with affection and the right amount of discipline...don't try and make up for it with brainwashing...

So she should grow up in whatever ooga-booga conspiracy-theory world you live in, where people who believe differently from you are malevolent cultists by definition? He's not trying to "make her religious," he's trying to present her with all the options and let her decide for herself. Then again, maybe it would be more open-minded to censor everything she reads so she doesn't come across ideas you don't agree with...

[Japher]

most people who find religion through ignorance end up in cults waiting for UFOs to take them to a planet where rivers flow with Kool-Aid.

[quantum_mechani]

I think it's great to show kids a wide variety of beliefs, but doesn't it seem a little counter productive to 'opening the mind' to just stay stuck on one? Shouldn't it be a church one week, a Hindu temple the next, then a mosque, Buddhist temple, etc?

[Jon Miller]

You aren't really seeing it then.

I would recommend going with your kids (to sunday school or wherever).. so you can see what they are being taught.

I don't think that you can show more than 1-2 cultural expereinces to your child during the formative years. More has to be up to them when they are a teenager (or older).

JM

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Japher
This thread isn't about me, per se. It's about parents forcing religion on their kids...

I took my son to church once because they were giving out free donuts. They tried to make him stand up and clap to the worship, but he just laid down and fell asleep.


... We still ate free donuts.

[quantum_mechani]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
You aren't really seeing it then.

I would recommend going with your kids (to sunday school or wherever).. so you can see what they are being taught.

I don't think that you can show more than 1-2 cultural expereinces to your child during the formative years. More has to be up to them when they are a teenager (or older).

JM

If a child is old enough to understand one set of of beliefs, they are old enough to understand any of them. And if you are going to only show one set of beliefs, that's pretty much the opposite of opening the mind.

[Jon Miller]

Err, you don't see that experiencing something/understanding something takes time?

Jon Miller

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Japher
One thing I've wondered for sometime now is; If God is God, and God is Lord, why the heck do people say Jesus is their lord and savior? I get the savior bit, but am confussed on the whole heirarchy. Did God give Jesus, his son, to the people to rule over them and then step aside? If so, then why do people still even bother with God?

Jesus is one of God's messengers, an important one. Or something. The whole messiah thing seems a bit like anthropomorphising God, if you ask me.

[quantum_mechani]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Err, you don't see that experiencing something/understanding something takes time?

Jon Miller

Sure... the question is how long it takes. I think you can understand the basics of most religions in under an hour, though of course you can study the details and history almost infinitely. And if you are going to explore some in more depth, there is no reason not to spread it around.

And if you are only going to do one, how do you decide which to do?

[Jon Miller]

Really? You can understand it in under an hour?

I don't think so.

Christianity makes a lot of sense to do in Western Society. I would guess Bhuddaism would make a lot of sense in eastern? Really depends on what is the dominant form of religious expression in your area. Or what intrigues you.

JM

[Kidlicious]

You can't learn much in an hour, unless you're very smart.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Pekka
Japher, holy trinity.

Yeah, go to church and stuff, it won't hurt, but later on turn her into devil worshipping atheist. If you teach her now that there is no God, they can't make up their own minds later on so easy, if you go like 'yeah we do this church thing now', they can make it up later. Because they pick it up from the parents mostly anyway..

So... you can bring on the evil science things later on

Or you can hit her in the face and say 'don't cry, if you do, there is no Jesus'. Let her make up her mind if she believes or not. Faith has never been easy. First lesson, fist in the face.

devil worshipping athiest just doesn't sound right.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Lorizael
At her age, (I have no idea how old your daughter is, btw) can she actually intelligently articulate whether or not she wants to go to church, and what that means?

I don't think it's wrong to take your children to church. You expose them to the ideas, if they take hold, they take hold.

As long as the parents are forcing religion on children.

I think it's a good idea to expose children to a variety of things. Take them to a hind temple (if such things exist), or a mosque. Then later in life the teenager can decide what is right for them.

[lord of the mark]

Famous rabbinic story


In the 1st century CE, rabbinic Judaism had two leaders, Hillel and Shammai.

A gentile approaches Shammai, and asks him to teach him Torah while standing on one foot. Shammai is angered, and tells him to leave.

He goes to Hillel, and asks the same thing. Hillel stands on one leg and says "That which is hateful to thyself, do not do unto others - all the rest is commentary - now go study"

From which we get the phrase "al regel echat" on one foot, meaning the short version.

But of course you still need to "go study"

Ive studied Judaism for years, and I still dont feel fully equipped to judge it. The whole point of J is the depth, the need to get deeper and deeper in knowledge.


Which religion - well of course if you ARE an at all observant Jew, you have to face the fact that teaching J to your children is one of YOUR principle obligations, under the Halacha.

Of course it also takes more teaching for a religion/civ that ISNT the dominant one.