Which country has produce the best classical music?

[Wernazuma III]

Originally posted by Heresson
Sad to say that, But Germany, incl. Austria.

Why sad?
Stop that or we'll partition your country again

[aneeshm]

Sanjeev Abhayankar's "Megh" was what I was just listening to . Very good vocal Hindustani music that evokes the mood of the monsoons .

[CrONoS]

In the medieval era, Italian are my favorite:
Palestrina, Giovanni Gabrielli

In general, it's hard to choose, but my choice is:
Germany
Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, Wagner.

but I would like to add special mention to Italy(Vivaldi, Puccini, Verdi, etc..), France (faure, debussy), and russia (tchaikovsky, rachmaninov), and English (Handel, Vaughan Williams, Elgar).

It's really hard to pick one.

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III


Why sad?
Stop that or we'll partition your country again

Do that, and Turks will capture your capital

[Sikander]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

That makes it really complicated. Beethoven was from Germany, really developed as a composer in Vienna, is considered part of the Vienna school, but completed many of his later works, IIUC, back in "Germany". Do we really have to go through each work to see where he lived when he wrote most of it? This aint like say Handel moving from Germany to England, or Schoenberg moving from Vienna to the US - Ludwig was regularly back and forth between Vienna and "Germany" precisely cause there wasnt such a distinction then.

I threw Vienna in with Germany cause the distinction so overcomplicates things, doesnt really match any cultural or musical distinction. EVEN though I know it makes Germany-Austria overwhelming.

What do we mean by "type of music that has gone before", wrt 20th c music - so neo romantic is ok, but not 12 tone? why not, the 12 tone folks, IIUC, thought they were fulfilling the direction late romantic music was headed in. 12 tone ok, but not jazz? How about classicaly orchestrated jazz, like Gershwin, or Classical with folk and jazz influences, like Copeland? This basically kills US music, and seems arbitrary. 12 tone and neo romantic ok, but not John Cage? Or are we just trying to avoid US pop music? If so, lets just say "art music" and leave it at that (or is that too debatable?)

Man, you are high maintenance. Yes, it's arbitrary. I didn't anticipate the directions this thread would take, and thus didn't define the OP very well. It's not a poll, just a discussion really so say whatever you want. I really just wanted to hear what sort of classical music people enjoyed and thought the country thing would spice up the conversation.

[Pekka]

Cort Haus, that's surely false.

While they have been influential, only Kraftwerk deserves to be mentioned as 'beig one of the big innovators' that basically lead to 90s ...

First off, it started, the modern revolution of techno and I'm talking about techno, not some euro trash or stuff..

It started earlier in Detroit, of course it started all over the world and all the time but the current timeline for modern can be drawn to Detroit with Kevin Saunderson, Juan Atkins and Derrick May with their Detroit techno, which basically was the **** and STILL is.

Now, everyone was influenced by Kraftwerk and so was Africa Bambaata, with his planet rock and ****, so what ever influenced them would be more suitable as they were catalysts.

I know you wanted to name some Germans influencing it, Kraftwerk surely is worthy of mention as one of the biggest ones, but MOST current artists in 90s got their influence from the US artists. Namely from Detroit and Chicago, both in house and techno.

[Cort Haus]

Fair enough for the Detroit/Chicago lineage, Pekka, but I don't think all techno comes only from that side of the family, as there are so many different sub-styles, as far apart from each other as Soul and Rock.

You might define techno as by definition coming from that line, but the psychedelic trancey stuff I used to listen too is a mile away from the more mainstream housey-techno.

But this is off-topic to the thread, and you're right, I just wanted to defend Germany's recent contributions.

[LordShiva]

Psytrance came from Goa, India

[Cort Haus]

Very good Shiva , but it's not what city people are living in, or partying in, but what the influences are. In that case the influences are pharmaceutical as well as musical, but then that's psychedelia.

[Pekka]

of course, and it's impossible to draw timelines what truly came out of the other one, only thing we can do is follow what the artists say they were influenced by...

but with that connection came so much more, like the use of 303 and 909, warehouse parties, house music, acid house, and basically we could say every subgenre of that dates back to that. This is all US.

Of course, UK made lots of their own contributions, even genres, like jungle is UK originally etc. But even this owes to hip hop back in the US, and is a direct descendent.

It's not a coincidence Derrick May, Juan Atkins and Kevin Saunderson are called the godfathers of techno. But yes, they were all influenced by Kraftwerk, so he's is some kind of a super entity But other Germans, not so much from those days.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Pekka
of course, and it's impossible to draw timelines what truly came out of the other one, only thing we can do is follow what the artists say they were influenced by...

We'd have to draw this timeline back to West Africa.

[Pekka]

No we don't.. we don't have to go back to the origins of music.

As far as electronic music and its biggest influences are pretty much known. I'm talking about the bigger lines here, not every single artist and subgenre. And I'm only talking about the 90s.

While what Cort Haus says is not false, it's a bit of an exaggaration to say those artists he mentioned earlier pretty much more or less invented that stuff While surely they had a big influence, I argued that only Kraftwerk deserves the mention, because you have to draw the line somewhere if you have to choose few names worthy of mention... well, Kraftwerk would be one. We don't need any African drums here for that

[VetLegion]

I've seen Kevin Saunders recently, it was a cool party although I didn't his style too much. I'm not saying bad, but not brilliant either.

[Pekka]

I saw Kevin too.. he's gone downhill unfortunately. He was spinning the greatest like 3+ years ago.. totally different style. Totally. You wouldn't recognize it anymore. Now he plays what he always plays in Holland.. he's there like every other week. So he plays too hard for my taste and basically the tracks have changed to that direction as well... not that more easy going groovy sound... that's gone.

Anyway, if it was Saunders, that's a different person altogether.

[Colon™]

Do you know Steve Bugs and Guide Schneider? Are they any good (interesting)?