Is depression a disease? Is it more prevalent today?

[Elok]

Normally I would approve of that threadjack, but this thread is irrational enough without that bit of emotional baggage added on. So please don't.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Elok
That's not the bloody point. Of course schizophrenia and depression are distinct (though your statements are laughable; there are plenty of mild schizophrenics who can control themselves, much as depression comes in varying degrees of severity). My point is that "cavemen" would not have stood for either. We're talking about people who may well have practiced infanticide as a form of population control.

Nobody would have stood for it, up to and including 1970 or so. Then, some started to classify alcoholism as a disease, and depression, and SAD and IED...


I mean, do you think Intermittent Explosive Disorder (IED) is a disease?
Used to be called "rage issues", now, it's a disease.

What about Societal Anxiety Disorder? (SAD)
Used to be called shyness, now, it's a disease.

Oh, and bipolar.. classic. Everything about being human, also seems to be a symptom of bipolar... "somedays you are really happy, and somedays you are really depressed" When are you cured? When you are eternally bored?

OCD.... it used to be people couldn't walk through doorways, or would spend hours washing their hands, would be diagnosed as OCD, now, if you put your black socks on one side, and your whites on the other... you might be OCD!!!

It's madness!

[Kuciwalker]

Go live in a ****ing cave if you want to be a caveman.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by NeOmega


Look at the poll, 7 to 7. So I guess everyone else that doesn't believe it is a disease is "slamming" depressives as well, by not buying into the advertisements peddled on a grand scale in Western countries.




It is not the worst proposition, it is the best, because it puts the power back into the hands of the person causing the depression, themselves!



But not themselves... hell no, not themselves, that would be the worst propostion ever. You would rather they believe in anything, but themselves. And I am the bad guy.

why are you using an internet poll, a poly poll, a self selecting poll for reference?

because people with depression DONT ****ING BELIEVE IN THEMSELVES!!! people with depression dont see a way out. you saying "only you can help yourself" is not putting power back in the hands of anyone. its a platitude that doesnt mean anything to anyone who doesnt value themselves. someone who doesnt believe in themselves. youre offering conclusions and answers without any work or explination.

you can lead a horse to water but you cant make them drink. a horse can know its thirsty but might not know how to drink cause its been so long since it had one. hell it might not even like water, it might be holding out for a bloody mary. point is, sometimes you have to give the horse a swift kick, a pill, horse therapy, a good long ride in the country, to convince it that its time to drink.

also whether or not something is classified as a disease doesnt make it any less real does it? people with rage or IED are still *******s you dont want to know. but instead of just trumping it up to rage issues, now we can start looking into ways to help that person with IED.

instead of people just being shy, we can find ways to combat SAD.

furthermore you know nothing about bi polar disease. nothing. if you had actually known anyone that had a break youd see its not "im up, im down". if you actually had a personal relationship with someone with bi polar disorder youd stop talking out your ass.

youre living in the past and longing for the past and the past wasnt this rosy picture where people just dealt with it.

also youre under the impression that self diagnosis is the final diagnosis. anyone worth their medical degree doesnt give carte blanche to self diagnosed patients.

[loinburger]

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[NeOmega]

Originally posted by MRT144

also whether or not something is classified as a disease doesnt make it any less real does it? people with rage or IED are still *******s you dont want to know. but instead of just trumping it up to rage issues, now we can start looking into ways to help that person with IED.

instead of people just being shy, we can find ways to combat SAD.

So are they diseases, or not. You said it doesn't matter, but apparantly it does, because I have said depression is not a disease, and lots of people have blown gaskets over it. So please, answer the question... do you think IED and SAD are diseases?

furthermore you know nothing about bi polar disease. nothing. if you had actually known anyone that had a break youd see its not "im up, im down". if you actually had a personal relationship with someone with bi polar disorder youd stop talking out your ass.

I know bipolar people, and I happen to know somebody very well who was forced to take anti-depressants throughout high school. Sometimes she was willing, other times she refused. Lets jsut say, she sees it as a bad time in her life, and thinks it was wrong, that she had to take them... and yes, they had pleanty of medical opinions saying she needed them.

also youre under the impression that self diagnosis is the final diagnosis. anyone worth their medical degree doesnt give carte blanche to self diagnosed patients.

There are lots and lots of doctors then, not tworth their medical degrees.

[MRT144]

also why is it hard to seperate medical conditions from distaste from drug companies? i dont like all the cholesterol ads or drugs out becuase i think there are more rewarding ways of lowering it, but I dont catergorically deny the exsistance of cholesterol.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by loinburger
and despite this she has a "disease," not an "addiction to heart attacks" or whatever.

addiction to high cholesterol foods.

And over time, this addiction has caused damage to her heart or arteries, and it is now a disease.


Once again, not the same as depression. One can be diagnosed through various instruments,and one is diagnosed through surveys and interviews, very reliant on the patients perception.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by MRT144
also why is it hard to seperate medical conditions from distaste from drug companies? i dont like all the cholesterol ads or drugs out becuase i think there are more rewarding ways of lowering it, but I dont catergorically deny the exsistance of cholesterol.

So, are IED and SAD diseases?

[loinburger]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
You are confusing psychology with psychoanalysis. Psychology is the study of the human mind, as a branch of science.

Gotcha -- I usually conflate "psychology" with "psychoanalysis," and reserve "cognitive science" for the more respectable studies of the human mind. E.g., the conference I attended where they used eye tracking and MRI's to objectively demonstrate that schizophrenics are crazy [] was a "cognitive science" conference.

[loinburger]

Originally posted by NeOmega
addiction to high cholesterol foods.

And over time, this addiction has caused damage to her heart or arteries, and it is now a disease.

Once again, not the same as depression. One can be diagnosed through various instruments,and one is diagnosed through surveys and interviews, very reliant on the patients perception.

So depressed people are addicted to suicidal thoughts?

[loinburger]

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[NeOmega]

Originally posted by loinburger

So depressed people are addicted to suicidal thoughts?

Yes, that is exactly what I have been saying. You can reread through this thread to see what I have said on the subject.

Maybe you can answer the question, do you think IED and SAD are diseases?

[loinburger]

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[NeOmega]

Originally posted by loinburger

I think it's an outrage for parents of a 14-year-old suicide to say "**** him, he was just a whiny crybaby. I mean, hell, if he'd been a caveman then he'd have starved to death anyway."

Yet another logical fallacy, strawman


Nowhere did I condone parents calling their child a whiny crybaby after he commits suicide.


Just another appeal to emotion instead of facts.