Reply: Thorn ANGRY! You wouldn’t know Mental Illness…

[Nostromo]

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Thorn not doing something stupid

It doesn't look like a situation-dependant depression. Its just his brain ****ing up. He would still depressed if he was a millionaire and lived on male supermodel Island

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Originally posted by Pekka
Dude, if you were serious about killing yourself, why would you even bother clearing up contact lists and ICQ etc.. that's like defragging your HD, just what is the point of that?

Without knowing you, my bastardly fast analysis would be that you need help for sure and everything is not OK, however you do not want to kill yourself, you want to be helped.

So, you should, you know.. get help, becase you can get help and even if it fails, you can get it again and at some point it will succeed.

yeah seems silly to me.

The only thing I thought about when I wanted to kill myself is getting rid of things that would embarrass me. It seems silly, but I don't want my family to think I'm some pervert (even though I am).

So my plan was to take my hard drives out, and put my other porn in a suitcase and throw it in a dumpster.

Other than that, I can care less if my affairs are in order. Who really cares if my Yahoo account still continues to accumulate spam email? It doesn't concern me at all.

I've always wondered if I'd let you guys know if I kill myself. I always figured I wouldn't. But maybe that's why I'm still alive. If I did actually post a suicide thread, I'd have to kill myself. I'd be too embarrassed to show my face in here again. . So I'm still here posting, as usual.

[Datajack Franit]

This thread

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Maybe, or maybe not.

Sava recovered depite / because of his being a regular there.

Me too.

[Datajack Franit]

Originally posted by Thorn

I need to learn a lesson from this, and that is internet people are not the same thing as real people, they hide behind their personas and act differently then they would IRL (I hope).

No! Really?

[chequita guevara]

Thorn, I want you to write something down and keep it someplace where you can look at it if you feel suicidal again.

"Don't trust your brain. It's trying to kill you."

My wife had some relapses recently, and I told her not to trust her brain and that it was trying to trick her into believing she was useless and a complete **** up and that nobody liked her. It really helped her to hear that. Not for me to disagree with her, but just to tell her that her brain was being evil.

If seasonal affective disorder messes with you, you should try moving to Southern Florida or Southern California or some other sunny state. That messes with me too, but since I've been lving in Ft. Lauderdale, I've been pretty freakin' happy. Any little bit man.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
No! Really?

Don't be evil.

[Datajack Franit]

You know that an internet forum is the last place on Earth to look for help when you feel suidical, and encouraging it will only make things worse

[Jerh9e1k5]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit
You know that an internet forum is the last place on Earth to look for help when you feel suidical, and encouraging it will only make things worse

I think we got that from your last post...

...not that it was appreciated in the first place

[Terra Nullius]

Ummm,...

Late (and possibly obsolete reply to NeOmega)

This ones for you, Terra Nullius:

Awww, thank you Darlin'
Can I cut that one out and keep it?

You sure about that? dietary conditioning?

OK. That was a furphy.

According to Louise Hay : Cancer is not a disease. It is a symptom of emotional conditioning.

She believes that the true cause of physical illness is a lack of self-love leading to ingrained destructive emotions. Using this system she successfully treated her own 'incurable' cancer, went into full remission, wrote a series of self-help books and built a career around helping others to overcome various diseases.

You sure about that?

No. That was mostly poetic licence.
According to a South-American tribe (can't remember which one) asthma is caused by bad spirits which come up the river valleys from the coast. They use a sacred herb (Damiana) to chase away the bad spirits. We would just call it a broncho-dilator.

Your assertion contains two statements:
1) "Depression is not a disease."
The 'disease' model is by no means perfect. But it does offer symptomatic diagnosis, a mechanism to explain the progression of the illness and a range of pharmaceutical and behavioural treatment options. I think you fail to satisfy the burden of proof on this one.

2) "Depression ... is a symptom of social conditioning."
You can make up whatever narrative suits your fancy. I like alternative discourses. And if you find one that works for you, I'm happy to hear it. But, in terms of diagnosis, progression and treatment, your model does not appear to have the same level of utility as the 'disease' model.

Perhaps it's just me misinterpreting your statement, but it also seems to lend itself to a 'blame-the-victims' mentality.

As far as the overprescrition of drugs goes. I'm not a social anthropologist, nor a medical researcher, so I wouldn't be qualified to comment. But if we review the history of pharmaceuticals it seems to me that everything from penicillin to anti-malarials has been 'over-prescribed' to some extent. It's not a phenomenon unique to mental illness. It doesn't strike me as a simple problem to be overcome by employing simple slogans.

Simply put:
The 'disease' model has not provided solutions to every case of mental illness. Personally, I am very much open to discovering alternatives, I'm not fussed whether you rely on crystals, aromatherapy or antediluvian goop. But those alternatives would also, hopefully, stand up to the light of critical examination.

And thanks for taking the time to explain your position more fully over the past few pages.

[Terra Nullius]

Or maybe we should just drop that discussion and move on?

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or make a new thread on it. It was a decent discussion.

[ajbera]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Thorn, I want you to write something down and keep it someplace where you can look at it if you feel suicidal again.

"Don't trust your brain. It's trying to kill you."

That's awesome. I think I'm going to say that to everybody, all the time, whether they're depressed or not. I may even use it in lieu of Hello and Goodbye.

Good to see you're alive, Thorn, but don't rely on the sympathy of others, especially on a message board. You'll just be disappointed.

[Dis]

My brain is trying to kill me. I ****ed up at work, and I'm afraid I might be fired. . that along with losing my friends is just killing me.

I'd kill myself if I had the balls to do so.

But it's just easier to keep on living. I just don't want to lose my job. I have never been fired before.

[NeOmega]

IIRC, Giancarlo was a total little *****. I don't know, I could be wrong, but when I read his name, it reminded me of some idiot talking out his ass all the time. So maybe he left because he constantly got called on it.

Perhaps it's just me misinterpreting your statement, but it also seems to lend itself to a 'blame-the-victims' mentality.

Victim? Who is doing the victimizing?

I blame emphysema on smoke, and I blame depression on people who "bleed just to know they are alive"

BTW, depressed people love depressive music, I've noticed, and then they claim the music makes them feel better, because they can relate to it. Just another life observation.

And treating it like a disease reminds me of the professional advice to quit smoking, which includes, "rewarding yourself" or "gradually cutting back" or the patch or gum, when it seems to me, once again from life experience, the only true quitters do it through sheer force of will, cold turkey.

So I would say, depression would fit the addiction model much better, and indeed, I believe many times depression is triggered by a painful event, but instead of moving on, some people feel the need to revisit the event, perhaps it is the stabilizing hormones that are released to once again balance the blood pressure and heartrate that is causing the "high" people are seeking.

I'll just post this on the other thread, too.




Do you have a job, thorn?