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Racism and Bigotry an Equal Opportunity Offense for both Parties
BTW, Lieberman has been quite critical of Bush, just not in the approved ways.
Not really. Folks like Joe and Hillary might say that the war is poorly run, but they've done very little in terms of either getting it run properly or articulating exactly what needs to be done to fix things. I don't really know at this point what we could do to help the situation (besides stopping the legitimization of Israeli terrorism in Lebanaon - but no need to discuss that right now), but neither, apparantly, do Lieberman and company. And while I don't know if some sort of withdrawal would help things, at least it's an actual suggestion. And just as importantly, when things could've been done - even a year or two back, Lieberman criticized dissent as tantamount to hurting the war effort.
Nor has he been critical of Bush's trampling of our civil liberties. He's consistently come down on the wrong side - the Patriot Act, the Alito filibuster, the Gonzales vote. When Feingold proposed censure to rebuke Dear Leader for rejecting the very idea of rule of law on the NSA domestic spying matter, Lieberman was up front in stamping it down.
Then there are meat and potato issues like his corporate giveaways in his support for the Bankruptcy Bill or the Energy Bill. His waffling on social security, his lack of substantive support for universal (i.e. single payer) healthcare.
That's why Joe needs to go.
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
Originally posted by ajbera
Y'know, ODIN is an anagram of DINO. Suspicious...
I thought it was an abreviation.
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"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
It's going to be funny if/when he wins as an independent.
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
Funny too, how it's the "liberal" blogosphere - pretty much anyone can rant pretty much anywhere, so I'm sure that you could find a few Aryan Nations wannabe types who could agree with the treehuggers to the extent of not liking ol' Jewboy Lieberman.
There is certainly no shortage of ranting idiots of every conceivable political stripe among the peasantry, but comparing that to McCarthyism is so ignorant it is almost beyond belief. Some pseudo-anonymous ranter on one of a billion blogs hardly has the power that comes with a Senate subcommittee chairmanship, let alone a Senate subcommittee chartered to investigate virtually anyone or anything.
Ogie went overboard with his choice of the word, "McCarthyism."
And Ogie needs to deflate his ego a bit -- contrary to his impression, he's not enlightening all Apolytoners as if they never knew that hatred and bigotry knows no exclusive political group.
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.
How is pointing out that Kerry' values was not in line with most Catholics beliefs a dirty trick?
Is it a dirty trick when Kerry trys to tell blacks that Bush's values are not in line with their beliefs?
Weird.
"The DPRK is still in a state of war with the U.S. It's called a black out." - Che explaining why orbital nightime pictures of NK show few lights. Seriously.
Originally posted by Arrian
I was until I decided I wanted to vote in the primary. I've always been an independent, but I find that I'm always *****ing about how the candidates in general elections suck. One small step to dealing with that is to vote in the primary. Given the way the Republican party has gone of late, I'm not going to be playing with them, which leaves the Dems.
Perhaps someday I'll decide to get even more involved, but for right now I'm taking baby steps.
-Arrian
So you want to put a fringe idealogue in place of an affable centrist? Maybe you should baby step your way back.
He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
Originally posted by Ramo
Lieberman's site wasn't hacked. He invested jack into his net infrastructure, and the server that he's using went down due to traffic....
According to the NYTimes those claims are being put forward by Lamont partisans, but are denied by the web consultant who ran Lieberman's web sites.
He's got the Midas touch.
But he touched it too much!
Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!
Yep. The initial reports were apparantly for the host that the campaign stopped using a few months ago. The owner of the current hosting company seems to believe that it was some hack, but doesn't know the specifics.
BTW what about Lamont do you think makes him a "fringe ideologue?"
"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
-Bokonon
So Lieberman lost. I'm up in the air on this one; on one hand it is nice to see that upset voters can turn out an incumbant if he doesn't really represent their point of view but on the other hand I see that it was mostly extremists who turned Lieberman out and the winner of the Democratic primary has less chance then a snowball in Maimi on spring break of actually winning the November election.
Primary voters tend to be the most partisan and extremist from each party but the general election has mostly moderates and centrists. Hetr's the outcome I see coming from this 1) Lieberman will become an independent and he'll win the election this November so the Dems will lose a seat in the Senate 2) The Republicans love fact 1 so they're going to play this up to the hilt 3) the far left wing of the Democratic party (which only make up 20%-30% of the total party) will now feel empowered to go after every Democrat who they feel is not far enough to the left.
This is going to be a big challenge to the centrists since the push will be to move the party further left while the Republicans are likely to respond by becoming less centrist themselves. They just have to be marginally more centrist to appeal to the centrist voters or alternatively demonize the other guy so that centrists get scared and vote Republican. It's a bad scenerio for America either way.
BTW what cheeses me off about Ned Lamont is that he always seems to say very vague generalities without ever saying anything specific or concrete. Go to his website and you won't find any sort of concrete anwsers or policies and in the few cases he actually does advocate a policy (like when Lamont said we needed free universal pre-school) he doesn't give any clue as to how he would pay for it.
How can he whine about the deficit yet advocate even higher spending and no tax increases? That's just dishonest. Lieberman is actually a fairly upfront guy who avoids these types of contradictions.
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