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Yeah. firefox isnt bundled with anything, whats the big deal.
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I tried Firefox on Asher's love of it, but I just prefer Opera.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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Oh, I tend to misread things a lot
Oh well, its still a shame that Google and Firefox have anything to with Real.
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I don't get what the big deal is either.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
So Real has agreed to distribute Firefox and Google products with its software... so?
Isn't it a good thing that Real is distributing good software for once?
If RealPlayer was bundled with Firefox I can see the big deal. But it won't be. So I'm confused why this is a big deal.
As for switching to Opera, that is a personal choice -- kind of like driving a Lada. Personally, I can't stand Opera's interface and un-browser related feature bloat like widgets and bittorrent.
When they add useful features such as support for real extensions, it'll be a real competitor. Opera's been around a lot longer than Firefox and Firefox toasts it in terms of users, and there's plenty of reasons for that."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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It makes it appear that google/mozilla endorse Real's malware...Originally posted by Asher
I don't get what the big deal is either.
If RealPlayer was bundled with Firefox I can see the big deal. But it won't be. So I'm confused why this is a big deal.
And yet Opera seems to start faster, load pages faster etc...
As for switching to Opera, that is a personal choice -- kind of like driving a Lada. Personally, I can't stand Opera's interface and un-browser related feature bloat like widgets and bittorrent.
While I do agree they could clean up their interface a bit (let you move toolbars by dragging, tidy up the preferences panel, add an adblocker or some default ad filters for example), I think it's a pretty decent product
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How's that? FF is allowing Realplayer to distribute it. That doesn't mean they endorse it ... heck, how does firefox sign an agreement to anything? Isn't it GPL?
Anyhow, Opera is not faster to start, unless you tweak it
FF is a quite fast start post 1.5 ...
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That makes no sense. Real can distribute Firefox, how does that mean Mozilla/Google is endorsing Real?Originally posted by Tim_Augustus
It makes it appear that google/mozilla endorse Real's malware...
While the code for Opera is remarkably efficient (as you might guess from a company who gets most of their money from platforms with no CPU power to speak of), it's not their code I'm speaking of.And yet Opera seems to start faster, load pages faster etc...
While I do agree they could clean up their interface a bit (let you move toolbars by dragging, tidy up the preferences panel, add an adblocker or some default ad filters for example), I think it's a pretty decent product
They seem to have no concept whatsoever of usability design and user experience. They develop nifty things and keep throwing things in a big pile and leave it at that. It's not until Firefox came and kicked ass that they started to give usability some thought.
Look at the default Opera 7 interface...
Interface disaster.
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As a webdeveloper, I instantly saw the same problem Asher see's - the Interface for Opera is horrible.be freeComment
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Yet I find Opera so much easier to use.I'm building a wagon! On some other part of the internets, obviously (but not that other site).Comment
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It doesn't mean they are, but it does create an association between the companies that could turn unlearned users away from Firefox and Google's desktop products when they realise that the other software they installed has usurped their preferred media software when all they wanted was to watch that .ram stream and is a steaming mound of ****Originally posted by Asher
That makes no sense. Real can distribute Firefox, how does that mean Mozilla/Google is endorsing Real?
Indeed. In fact I can't think of a more irritating way to lay out the toolbars... Fortunately Opera's developers have seen sense in that regard, 9's interface is vastly better and even quite usable
While the code for Opera is remarkably efficient (as you might guess from a company who gets most of their money from platforms with no CPU power to speak of), it's not their code I'm speaking of.
They seem to have no concept whatsoever of usability design and user experience. They develop nifty things and keep throwing things in a big pile and leave it at that. It's not until Firefox came and kicked ass that they started to give usability some thought.
Look at the default Opera 7 interface...
Interface disaster.
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Y'know, if you're going to pull screenshots from deprecated software, should we be *****ing about how IE4 and Netscape 4 are terrible, security-wise?
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I've heard of the term "RealPlayer" but have no idea what it is. However, as we're talking about FireFox being bundled with it instead of t'other way round, as people have pointed out, I don't think it's all that huge of a deal either. Whatever this software is. All this means is that people who would have downloaded a crappy program anyway will also download a good one to go with it.
It's been years since I tried Opera; do they still make you look at built-in banner ads in the free version? IIRC it was blazing fast but I wasn't about to tolerate that tiny window and annoying flashing advertisement hovering over it.Comment
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Time to give it another go then. Opera became ad-free about a year ago.Comment
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Originally posted by Oerdin
What's wrong with Real?Comment
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