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I wonder what sort of servicing it would need.
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Well, there is whole power bill jumping thingOriginally posted by Arrian
Nice. Any catches? The one that jumps out at me is the sticker price...
Produce a normal sedan in the ~$30K range and I'm all sortsa interested, though.
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. If enough people got this, we'd have to increase the capacity of our power plants.
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Increasing the capacity of our power plants isn't much of a problem. It takes investment, but it's something that we know how to do.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Off-peak on what rate schedule? Residential and small commercial users are on non-time of use rate schedules, so charging this at home or a small to midsize office setting would cost about double off-peak time of use rates.Originally posted by DanS
Somewhat. 1 cent a mile would make it $1.35/gallon equivalent. Compare to $3 or whatever for a gallon of gasoline.
This is using PG&E's off peak power costs. I think other places in the country are cheaper.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."Comment
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Repowering or augmenting capacity is much more of a pain than new capacity. It might create a little niche application for photovoltaics in urban parking lots, though.Originally posted by DanS
Increasing the capacity of our power plants isn't much of a problem. It takes investment, but it's something that we know how to do.
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How long does the car take to charge? Until I can go on a road trip with a car like this, it's useless.
Drive 250 miles, stop to refill my combustion engine car, 10 minutes.
Stop to refill my Tesla engine car, 8 hours? 16?
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I wasn't making a distinction about how power capacity was added (new versus upgrading existing). More the point was that we've been building power plants for years and there's nothing really exotic about it (besides some nuke plants, I guess).I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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According to Tesla's site...Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
Off-peak on what rate schedule? Residential and small commercial users are on non-time of use rate schedules, so charging this at home or a small to midsize office setting would cost about double off-peak time of use rates.
Cost calculated using PG&E Schedule E-9 off-peak rate.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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3.5 hours.Originally posted by Tuberski
How long does the car take to charge?I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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So it's still nowhere near as convenient as a normal car. But again, if you produced a small commuter car with this technology, it would work fine. As will this niche $100k roadster, perhaps.
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Ah, that's bogus.
E9 is an "experimental" rate, so no guarantee of eligibility or long term service under the rate.
There's two options - integrated service (whole house), or separate metering for the electric or CNG vehicle recharging. Summer Off-peak costs are 4.9 cents per kWh, up to a limit of 130% of baseline allowance. That's bull**** - residential baseline allowance basically allows you to run an efficient fridge, and maybe have a couple of dim lights on at night for a few hours, and not much more. Once you hit the band from 131 to 200% of baseline, which is typical for virtually all residential customers, you have off-peak costs of 13.9 cents, and God forbid you exceed that - above 200% of baseline (not uncommon if you live inland, have A/C, and have 3-4 family members in a good size house), then off-peak climbs past 22 cents per kWh.
On-peak costs run from 28 to over 50 cents, depending on what band of baseline multiple you're in that month. 28 cents on-peak for baseline is atrocious.
The only way this rate makes any sense is if you had the car separately metered (you have to pay for separate service and meter installation), and ONLY recharge off-peak within 130% of baseline, which is lower for separate metered service of the car charger than it would be for integrated service of the entire residence and car-charger.
PG&E loves to play three card monty in their time of use rates, and this one is even more arcane because of the residential baseline banding, "now you see it, now you don't" red ace of the baseline credit (not available on separate service for the car charger, etc.
Trying to understand this rate schedule to predict real costs of an electric vehicle (other than a toy for Sunday runs to the grocery store) would drive the average residential customer bat****.
In any real-use scenario in which this was the primary vehicle, the recharge costs would be anywhere from two to five times the rate they're claiming.When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."Comment
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Always good to hear from the industry expert.
I figured there had to be a catch.
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Even with those multiples, it's still drastically cheaper than gasoline at current rates and the car's efficiency.
And separate metering may not be unrealistic. They come out and install a powering station in your garage for this car that charges the car a little faster...I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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So 2-5 cents per mile as opposed to 10 cents per mile (for an efficient car). Still not half bad... I'm fairly sure in the midwest we get better electricity rates than that, anyway. Certainly less complexity than the above described system of silliness.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
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