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  • #31
    Originally posted by Kassiopeia
    I don't think there's a record of who really said the cake thing, if it ever even happened. Voltaire attributed it to a generic princess called Marie but at the time of writing, Marie Antoinette was a child (or not even born yet, not sure).
    If that's the case, it just goes to show the depths that communists will go to distort the truth.
    To us, it is the BEAST.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Spiffor

      ...who wanted our neighbours to declare war on us, and actually tried to go abroad to that effect.
      Which isn't really an unusual reaction for a monarch in fear of your life and position. From her POV it was a matter of restoring order. Royals across Europe were revulsed by what was going on in France and Marie-Antoinette was no exception to that.

      Beinbg a mother of two isn't a magical "get out of trouble, free" card when you try to instigate war, and when your extravagant useless expanses put a significant extra weight on the life standards of an impoverished peasantry.
      The extravagance came along with the institution that was the French Court. An institution she did not create nor shaped, and of which she was part without her own choosing. The evilness resided with the institution, not so much with the agents. It was good the institution was brought down, but that doesn't mean the individuals have to be dehumanized.

      And as said before, the movie simply doesn't put the focus on the political events of the time, but on her personal experiences. I don't see what's so threatening about that.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Colon™
        I don't see what's so threatening about that.
        It's not threatening. It's just misleading.

        But considering your opinion about flags (especially about the Belgian flag), I can understand that you can fall for such spin.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Spiffor

          It's not threatening. It's just misleading.
          Misleading of what? The movie isn't exactly presenting her or Louis XVI as frugal, broad-minded or worldly-wise. It's been over 2 centuries ago, about time for you to accept she might have also been a lively person and a caring mother.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Colon™
            Misleading of what? The movie isn't exactly presenting her or Louis XVI as frugal, broad-minded or worldly-wise. It's been over 2 centuries ago, about time for you to accept she might have also been a lively person and a caring mother.
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            • #36
              Marie Antoinette as a lost, confused mother without any real control over her life or her country is not a useful image for radicals trying to overthrow the state. 200 years later, that same image proves the corruption and failure of the institution of the monarchy itself.

              Spiffor, if you need the revolutionary image still, then don't see the movie.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Blaupanzer
                Spiffor, if you need the revolutionary image still, then don't see the movie.
                Actually, just yesterday, I argued with a fellow commie that our capitalist leaders are not evil, but are products of the system.

                And that if we commies want to successfully replace capitalism, we shouldn't be as simplistic as believing we are just fighitng against a few bad guys, but actually against a system.
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                • #38
                  Wow, did you hurt yourself?

                  -Arrian
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Arrian
                    Wow, did you hurt yourself?


                    I argue all the time. I love it. Else, why the heck would I waste so much time here?

                    As to my stance toward Marie-Antoinette, I couldn't care less about her. I just provided a little folklore.
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                    • #40
                      I'll flesh it out a bit more for ya:

                      Actually, just yesterday, I argued with a fellow commie that our capitalist leaders are not evil
                      Wow, what a big step. Must've been hard. Did you hurt yourself?

                      Get it now?

                      -Arrian
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                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Arrian
                        Wow, what a big step. Must've been hard. Did you hurt yourself?
                        Well, it's been my position for years now.

                        Many world leaders also happen to be scum, but even if they were all nice guys, the world's economic system would barely be different.
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                        • #42
                          Spiffor makes a non-cynical comment finally, and Arrian promptly jumps on him. Ease up, dude.
                          No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
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                          • #43
                            I'm generally pro-Spiff, actually.

                            -Arrian
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #44
                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                                I agree with Spiffor... what is this with putting French people in a good light?!
                                Algerian footballers excepted, of course.
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