How Muslim countries treat their Hindu "brothers" . . . . . .

[LordShiva]

But then LordShiva would show up and own them both.

[Sava]

only because you have your precious PRAETORIANS

[Dr Strangelove]

Isn't there some island nation in the Pacific where Hindu immigrants took over the island governemnt triggering an uprising of the natives? I'm pretty sure it wasn't Fiji, but I' not one hundred percent certain.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
Isn't there some island nation in the Pacific where Hindu immigrants took over the island governemnt triggering an uprising of the natives? I'm pretty sure it wasn't Fiji, but I' not one hundred percent certain.

It was Fiji

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
[q=Oerdin]They want to purify India of any foreign influence and by doing so they are destroying Indian history and replacing it with a fictional history. Many, many, many more people know the name Bombay yet scratch their heads about the new name Mumbai.[/q]

Uh.... Oerdin? Mumbai is the INDIAN history name. Bombay is an Anglicized version of the Bom bahia, which means "good bay" in PORTUGESE.

I thought the Portugese founded the city.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
I thought the Portugese founded the city.

The Portugese brought together the island towns into a city, but they had names before they were brought together.

[aneeshm]

People , people , people . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Instead of discussing me personally , why not focus on the abuses that are actually going on in the said countries ? This is maybe the first systematic compilation of such abuses against Hindus . Why is it that what Israel does to defend itself is condemned , because the Palestinians are Muslims , but when atrocities are committed on civilian populations , nobody says a damn thing .


Let me give you an excerpt from the report :

Violence against Women
Violence against women continues throughout the world, but more so in Pakistan, particularly against Hindu women. Violence against women is rampant in the forms of rape, honor killings, and domestic abuse. In Pakistan, a woman is raped every two hours on average, and at least ten women a day die in honor killings. Moreover, Pakistan’s existing Hudood Ordinance is used to imprison thousands of women who report rapes. According to the Ordinance, a rape victim must present four male witnesses to the crime in order to prove the rape occurred. If the victim is unable to do so, she is at risk for being whipped for adultery because she has acknowledged illicit sex, which is banned in Islam. Despite repeated calls by women’s rights and human rights groups for the reform and repeal of the Hudood Ordinance, the Pakistan government has yet to take action.



Hindus continue to be the target of kidnappings, rape, and intimidation in Pakistan. There are reports of desecration and destruction of Hindu temples and lands, theft and looting of Hindu property, discrimination, abuse, and abduction of Hindu females. Unfortunately, few reports about specific and targeted human rights abuses against Hindus are available, not only due to the continued decreasing population of Hindus in Pakistan, but also because reports of such attacks are either poorly covered in the local media or completely ignored.



A worrisome trend in Pakistan, particularly in the Sindh province, is that of Muslims kidnapping Hindu girls and forcing them to convert to Islam. One of the most egregious cases of intimidation and kidnapping of young Hindu women occurred in September 2005. On September 14, Hindu parents alleged that four men abducted their daughter in Sindh, and forced her to marry one of the accused and convert to Islam. The authorities arrested two of the abductors, but the court dismissed the case when the girl was forced to provide a legal statement that she willfully married and converted. Gayan Chand Singh, a legislator in Pakistan’s Parliament, said that the kidnapping should be categorized as rape and should be registered as such an offense for the abductors.[lxxix]



In a similar case, Sapna Giyanchand was taken to a shrine in the Shikarpur District by Shamsuddin Dasti, a Muslim married man and father. The custodian of the shrine, Maulvi Abdul Aziz converted Sapna to Islam, changed her name to Mehek, and married her to Dasti. When Sapna’s case was presented in court, Muslim extremists deluged her with rose petals and chanted religious sayings. Sapna, terrified by the setting, could not manage to speak to her parents, who were also present in court. Aziz, also in attendance, is claimed to have said, “How can a Muslim girl live and maintain contact with kafirs [non-believers of Islam]?”[lxxx]



In a recent investigative report it is described how young girls, as young as 12 or 13, have been kidnapped in Sindh, converted to Islam, and forcibly married to Muslim boys.[lxxxi] “Kidnapping Hindu girls like this has become a normal practice. The girls are then forced to sign stamp[ed] papers stating that they’ve become Muslims,” said Laljee Menghwar, a member of Karachi’s Hindu Panchayat (council of village leaders). At least nineteen similar abduction cases have taken place in Karachi alone, and six in the Jacobabad and Larkana districts[lxxxii]. Wasim Shahzad, the Minister of State for Interior, upset legislators in the National Assembly when he was quoted by the state-run APP news agency as saying, “These incidents are taking place to force the Hindus to leave Pakistan where they have been living for the past 5,000 years.”[lxxxiii]

In a shocking incident, it was reported that three young Hindu girls had suddenly coverted to Islam. The three girls, Reena (21), Usha (19) and Rima (17) – daughters of Sanno Amra and Champa, a Hindu couple living in the Punjab Colony section of Karachi, Pakistan – went missing on October 18, 2005. According to a widely circulated report in the Pakistan newspaper Dawn, entitled “Conversion losses,” the London based Pakistani commentator, Irfan Hussain, described the shock experienced by Sanno Amra and Champa when they returned home after work on October 18, 2005 to discover their three daughters had unexpectedly disappeared. Only after desperate queries to the police, the parents received affidavits stating the daughters’ conversions to Islam. Private visits with their daughters, free from chaperones and even police officers that have supervised their only interactions thus far, have been consistently denied. After their disappearance from home, the girls have been living at a madrassa (Islamic seminary) in the vicinity of their home and may potentially be denied the freedom to return home.[lxxxiv]

Earlier in 2005, Shazia Khalid, a doctor, reported that she was gang-raped in a government natural gas plant. Instead of providing her with medical treatment, officials drugged her into unconsciousness for three days and then transported her to a psychiatric hospital to prevent her from reporting the rape. Due to her persistence of reporting the rape, Khalid was placed under house arrest in Karachi. The police insinuated that the presence of cash in her house meant that she was working as a prostitute. Although her husband has stood by her, his grandfather was quoted as saying that Dr. Shazi disgraced the family and should be killed.[lxxxv]


Although violence against women transcends their religion, it is disproportionately focused on Hindu women in Pakistan. In May 2005, a group of middle-class Pakistani women held a demonstration for equal rights in Lahore. In response, the police beat them and took them to police stations. In particular, they targeted Asma Jahangir, a U.N. special rapporteur, who is also the head of the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan. Ms. Jahangir said an intelligence official close to General Musharraf told the police to “teach the [expletive] a lesson [and] strip her in public.” The police tore her shirt off and tried to remove her trousers.[lxxxvi]

Hindus targeted in Balochistan
Minorities, particularly Hindus and Ahmadiyas, continue to face a wave of violations in Balochistan, the area where Pakistan conducted its nuclear tests on the orders of President Musharraf in October 1999. The native Baluchs experience a severely degraded status since the occupation. Although the exact number is unknown, more than 5,000 Hindus were forced to escape from the unrest in Balochistan and enter Sindh in 2005. Militant Muslim groups have desecrated Hindu temples, set their homes on fire, and destroyed Hindu shops and property. Here too, Hindu females, particularly school students, are forcibly converted to Islam.[lxxxvii]



On March 21, 2005, sixty civilians were killed and one hundred and fifty were injured in Dera Bugti, Balochistan when Pakistan’s Frontier Corps attacked the town with “artillery shelling, rockets, and indiscriminate machine gun fire.” Among those killed were innocent Hindu women and children as well as dozens of Bugti tribesmen.[lxxxviii]

Depiction of Hinduism in School Textbooks
Extracts (translated from Urdu to English) from the government-sponsored textbooks approved by the National Curriculum Wing of the Federal Ministry of Education demonstrate the derogatory and inflammatory portrayal of Hinduism to the youth of Pakistan:[lxxxix]



· Grade IV: “The religion of Hindus did not teach them good things, [and the] Hindus did not respect women.”

· Grade V: “The Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.”

· Grade VI: “The Hindu setup was based on injustice and cruelty.”

· Grade VII: “Hindus always desired to crush the Muslims as a nation [and] several attempts were made by the Hindus to erase Muslim culture and civilization.”

· Grade VIII: “Before Islam people lived in untold misery all over the world.”

· Grade X: “Islam gives a message of peace and brotherhood…There is no such concept in Hinduism.”

But then again , Islam , the religion of peace , could never ever condone something like this , could it ? Could it ?

[aneeshm]

Another bit :

At the time of Partition in 1947, the Hindu population of Pakistan was estimated at approximately a quarter of the total population. For example, the population of Karachi, Pakistan in 1947 was 450,000, of which 51% was Hindu, and 42% was Muslim. By 1951, Karachi’s population had increased to 1.137 million because of the influx of 600,000 Muslim refugees from India. In 1951, the Muslim population of Karachi was 96% and the Hindu population was 2%.[lxxiv] In 1998, the Hindu population in all of Pakistan was 1.60%,[lxxv] and the most recent census would certainly be expected to demonstrate consistent demographic trends and a further diminution in the Hindu population.

[aneeshm]

As for the often-raised Aryan invasion theory - I've stopped caring , for now . I'll wait until the controversy dies down before making a decision , though it is very difficult to believe that a ragtag bunch of nomads could displace the highly developed and geographically very large city civilisation of the Indus valley . But I'd rather not go off on that tangent right now , because that debate is endless .

[Sikander]

The Aryans weren't exactly ragtag, they possessed the most advanced military capabilities of the era.

[aneeshm]

I told you - that debate is endless , and I'd rather not go into it right now . Comments on the report or my excerpt from the report would be appreciated .

[Az]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


The Portugese brought together the island towns into a city, but they had names before they were brought together.

It's a meaningless debate. The Indians can call their city whatever they want to, and so can the west- Pronounciation and names of countries and cities aren't global - Moskva is Moscow, Moscou or Moskau, Paris is Paris, Pari, or Parij, China is China, Chine, Kitai, Sin. Germany is Deutschland, Allemagne Deutchland, Germania, etc.

I am not going even to start talking about names with clear meanings, like united states, united kingdom, etc...
This is what makes demands by countries such as Ivory Coast ( I am sorry, Cote D'Ivoire ) ridiculous.

[Elok]

While we're at it, we need to stop this endless "should the Muslims of the world line up to suck Hindus off while begging forgiveness" debate we've been having for the past 300 Aneeshm threads.

[Az]

To be honest, if that's gone, so should most of apolyton threads...

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Elok
While we're at it, we need to stop this endless "should the Muslims of the world line up to suck Hindus off while begging forgiveness" debate we've been having for the past 300 Aneeshm threads.

In which thread did the OP demand that Muslims line up and suck Hindus off? Or is this just a hyperbolic alternative to genuine discussion?

As usual on 'poly, there's lots of attacks on the poster and not enough comment on the topic. If the Hindu grievances in question are true, then they are very serious. If someone had posted reports of Palestinan women being kidnapped, raped and forced-to-convert by Israelis, or of Iraqis recieving this sort of treatment by coalition forces I doubt the replies would be so glib and dismissive, unless the accuracy of the reports was being contested.

As LOTM rightly said,

does anyone actually contest the claims of discrimination on the website?