Guess the aircraft.

[Serb]

Unbelievable!

[Serb]

You think it's allien stuff?

[Serb]

Wrong!

What is it?

[Sprayber]

Russian New Design Leaked

Apparently the CIA has gotten its hands on the newest top secret plane coming out of Russia. The CIA initially thought files had been misplaced when they first laid eyes on the new design but officials from the international oragami federation confirmed the new Russian design..

[Serb]

Great news
Let's hope with this newly acquired plane USAF will never again lose a training fight to Sukhoi jets piloted by Indians.

[Tattila the Hun]

Hmm, building an example might be difficult, since it seems to be missing key steps...

I wonder if we could send Clint Eastwood to steal a prototype?

[Serb]

You would need someone more competent than Dirty Harry, someone with skill, experience and training, someone like this guy:

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sprayber





Another design far in advance of soviet/russian tech

Su-30MK Beats F-15C 'Every Time'

Aviation Week and Space Technology, aviationnow.com

By David A. Fulghum and Douglas Barrie

[May 24, 2002]

The Russian-built Sukhoi Su-30MK, the high-performance fighter being exported to India and China, consistently beat the F-15C in classified simulations, say U.S. Air Force and aerospace industry officials.

In certain circumstances, the Su-30 can use its maneuverability, enhanced by thrust-vectoring nozzles, and speed to fool the F-15's radar, fire two missiles and escape before the U.S. fighter can adequately respond. This is according to Air Force officials who have seen the results of extensive studies of multi-aircraft engagements conducted in a complex of 360-deg. simulation domes at Boeing's St. Louis facilities.

"The Su-30 tactic and the success of its escape maneuver permit the second, close-in shot, in case the BVR [beyond-visual-range] shot missed," an Air Force official said. Air Force analysts believe U.S. electronic warfare techniques are adequate to spoof the missile's radar. "That [second shot] is what causes concern to the F-15 community," he said. "Now, the Su-30 pilot is assured two shots plus an effective escape, which greatly increases the total engagement [kill percentage]."

THE SCENARIO in which the Su-30 "always" beats the F-15 involves the Sukhoi taking a shot with a BVR missile (like the AA-12 Adder) and then "turning into the clutter notch of the F-15's radar," the Air Force official said. Getting into the clutter notch where the Doppler radar is ineffective involves making a descending, right-angle turn to drop below the approaching F-15 while reducing the Su-30's relative forward speed close to zero. This is a 20-year-old air combat tactic, but the Russian fighter's maneuverability, ability to dump speed quickly and then rapidly regain acceleration allow it to execute the tactic with great effectiveness, observers said.

If the maneuver is flown correctly, the Su-30 is invisible to the F-15's Doppler radar--which depends on movement of its targets--until the U.S. fighter gets to within range of the AA-11 Archer infrared missile. The AA-11 has a high-off-boresight capability and is used in combination with a helmet-mounted sight and a modern high-speed processor that rapidly spits out the target solution.

Positioned below the F-15, the Su-30 then uses its passive infrared sensor to frame the U.S. fighter against the sky with no background clutter. The Russian fighter then takes its second shot, this time with the IR missile, and accelerates out of danger.

"It works in the simulator every time," the Air Force official said. However, he did point out that U.S. pilots are flying both aircraft in the tests. Few countries maintain a pilot corps with the air-to-air combat skills needed to fly these scenarios, said an aerospace industry official involved in stealth fighter programs.

Those skeptical of the experiments say they're being used to justify the new Aim-9X high-off-boresight, short-range missile and its helmet-mounted cuing system, the F-22 as an air superiority fighter and, possibly, the development of a new long-range air-to-air missile that could match the F-22 radar's ability to find targets at around 120 mi. They contend that the Su-30MK can only get its BVR missile shot off first against a large radar target like the F-15. While it's true that the Su-30 MK would not succeed against the stealthy F-22 or F-35, neither would it regularly beat the nonstealthy (but relatively small radar cross section) F-16 or F/A-18E/F, they said. These analysts don't deny the F-22's value as an air-to-air fighter, but say the aircraft's actual operational value will be greatest in the penetrating strike, air defense suppression and electronic jamming roles.

At the same time, there may be more to the simulations than justifying new weaponry, say European analysts. Also at play are some tactical wrinkles being developed for the more effective use of new Russian missile versions.

The combination of Su-30 and R-27ER/ET (NATO designation AA-10), flown and fought in a competent fashion, also represents a significant threat. Even though the R-27ER is only a semiactive radar-guided missile, the extra maneuvering capability resulting from the large motor is a significant improvement over the basic R-27. Basic Russian air force doctrine has long suggested following a semi-active missile launch immediately with an IR missile launch, such as the R-27ET. Theory has it that the target aircraft's crew will be occupied spoofing the inbound radar missile, only to fall to the second missile.

The R-27ER, while only semiactive, also outperforms the baseline R-77 ( AA-12) in terms of kinematics. The R-77 motor has a simple, and short, burn profile, which has resulted in disappointing performance, piquing the Russian air force's interest in developing the K-77M rather than fielding the basic AA-12 in any numbers. The K-77M (K denotes a missile still in development, while R reflects an inventory weapon) is an upgraded R-77 with improvements that include a larger motor with a burn sequence profiled to increase range.

The oft-touted, but yet-to-be-fielded, R-27EA active variant of the AA-10 could further enhance the Su-30's capabilities, were an export customer to buy the derivative. In terms of one-on-one combat, the second-generation Flanker family presents a considerable threat to aircraft not designed from the outset as low observable, unless they are capable of extended-range BVR missile engagements. For instance, this threat drove the British selection of a rocket-ramjet missile to equip the Eurofighter.

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/comparison-f15-su30-1.html

The US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to, or at best equal to, the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-35/37, Rafale, and EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration, maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower, radar signature, or range. Although the F-15C and Su-27P series are similar in many categories, the Su-27 can outperform the F-15C at both long and short ranges. In long-range encounters, with its superiorr radar the Su-27 can launch a missile before the F-15C does, so from a purely kinematic standpoint, the Russian fighters outperform the F-15C in the beyond-visual-range fight. The Su-35 phased array radar is superior to the APG-63 Doppler radar in both detection range and tracking capabilities. Additionally, the Su-35 propulsion system increases the aircraft’s maneuverability with thrust vectoring nozzles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-15.htm

[Arrian]

The US Air Force claims the F-15C is in several respects inferior to, or at best equal to, the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-35/37, Rafale, and EF-2000, which are variously superior in acceleration, maneuverability, engine thrust, rate of climb, avionics, firepower, radar signature, or range.

Not that I'd really be all that surprised, given the age of the F-15, but there is another angle to consider.

The USAF wants funding, ya know? Mein Gott! Der ist a Fighter Airkraft Gap!! We need billions for new fighters!

-Arrian

[Lancer]

"enhanced by thrust-vectoring nozzles"

Amazing capabilities! The Soviet engineers who perfected this deserve to keep their heads, the highest acclaim their government gave.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Arrian


Not that I'd really be all that surprised, given the age of the F-15, but there is another angle to consider.

The USAF wants funding, ya know? Mein Gott! Der ist a Fighter Airkraft Gap!! We need billions for new fighters!

-Arrian

Now our Air Force would not do that, would they? Ans: In a heart beat they would.

Next week they will tell us that the Mig-15 shot down a bunch of F-15 in training.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Arrian


Not that I'd really be all that surprised, given the age of the F-15, but there is another angle to consider.

The USAF wants funding, ya know? Mein Gott! Der ist a Fighter Airkraft Gap!! We need billions for new fighters!

-Arrian

I know.
I also know that when I bring Russian sources to prove superiority of Russian equipment, I hear - "it's just a Soviet propaganda". When I bring American sources to prove the same, I hear - "Our Department of Defense is lying to us to get more money. We are number one, USA!!! USA!!!".

[Serb]

Originally posted by Joseph
Now our Air Force would not do that, would they? Ans: In a heart beat they would.

Next week they will tell us that the Mig-15 shot down a bunch of F-15 in training.

Did they say something about Mig-15?

No, they said (btw, four years ago) that Su jets have your F-15 all the time. Nothing new really, since Russian piloted Su-27 has demonstrated its superiority over F-15, iirc in Atlanta in 1996.

[Joseph]

Originally posted by Serb


Did they say something about Mig-15?

No, they said (btw, four years ago) that Su jets have your F-15 all the time. Nothing new really, since Russian piloted Su-27 has demonstrated its superiority over F-15, iirc in Atlanta in 1996.

No they did not say anything about Mig-15s. I just said that as a remark, bad.
If you lived here, you would understand better. See here we have a bunch of crybabies, who cry all of the time about how much money our military receives. And some of those crybabies are elected member of our Congress. They vote against any and all military spending. So here the military had to lie to get money for programs.

When you guys had the Mig-25, we were told that it would take out any thing we had. So Congress authorize the money to build the F-14 and F-15. Of course after your pilot flew one to Japan, we found out the plane was fast, but could not dogfight. I think the military already knew that, but they wanted the F-14 and 15, so they kept the mouth shut.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Serb
World's most expensive cities: Moscow surpasses Tokyo as priciest metropolis.

They must have factored in all of the corruption.