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  • #61
    Re: Re: Re: I Am No Longer a Republican ...

    Originally posted by Gatekeeper
    You seem ...
    I'm sorry. I might not have been as clear as I should have been (Though Drake got what I was refering to). You seem to have been refering to neo-conservatives as if they had a political ideaology. I was a bit confused by that and was wondering if you might explain it a bit further.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Urban Ranger


      Yeah, I still remember Contragate.



      That's because he understands what diplomacy is, and you don't.
      Why we're there now.
      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Berzerker


        Its the ooonly waaay to fly
        "One pill makes you larger, one pill makes you small...
        and the Libertarian party, won't get elected at all..."

        When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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        • #64
          Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
          Reading the OP, all I have to ask is when the **** was the last time a Democrat pandered to any base?

          Does the average Democrat in the House even know there's a base? It seems they just want to pick up left-over Republicans.
          Locally, yes, but the traditional Democrat base (working and lower middle class) was abandoned a generation or more ago for the professional whiners. Pandering to the current version of the Democrat base (the "I'm too busy sitting on my ass drawing welfare or complaining about how unfair the system is to go vote" crowd) is the ticket to national unelectibility.
          When all else fails, blame brown people. | Hire a teen, while they still know it all. | Trump-Palin 2016. "You're fired." "I quit."

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          • #65
            Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


            "One pill makes you larger, one pill makes you small...
            and the Libertarian party, won't get elected at all..."

            Yeah...I love their website. It says thousands have joined the party! uh....hello....there are 300 million people here....
            "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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            • #66
              Libertarians don't make good sheep.
              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
                It's no wonder the Average Joe fled to the Republicans. Democrats seem to view him like they would an idiot or a child...
                The Republicans just motivate him by fear. One look at the transparent partisan "debates" Congress has and you can tell that. Just as anyone who bothers to read the paper once in a while would know the Republicans lie their behinds off about what they say they'll do and what they actually do. Smaller government?
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                • #68
                  I support the ideas of strong national defense, fiscal responsibility, and personal freedom and accountability. That used to make me a Republican. Not sure what I am now......
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
                    Btw, whatever happened to the rumors that Christie Whitman was thinking of starting a moderate party?

                    Unrelated, I recently saw a news show where Whitman was talking about the **** she had to put up with at the EPA and the reasons she actually quit (the Administration basically castrated the EPA's ability to monitor companies).
                    Yeah, I read about that in the San Francisco Chronicle last week. It was a geat article which really gave people a look inside the Bush administration to see just what lengths the administration will go to help campaign contributors even when they're caught red handed breaking the law. I recall it saying that leads on violations were as strong as ever but the actual cases brought by the EPA against violators was done like 80% compared to Clinton's last year. The administration is just quietly pocketing cases and then ignoring them.
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                    • #70
                      The Democratic Party lost the wholeheatred support of the average blue-collar worker when it started obsessing over social issues and identity politics. I rember a thread on DU where posters stated things they would not compromise on, and it was mostly social issues, this is why they lose.

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                      • #71
                        You mean like democrats main concerns being opposing flag burning and illegal immigration issues? I agree.
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Proteus_MST
                          Aside from getting these informations, it is also important how they get them.
                          That's where impartial and/or thoroughly vetted information sources — including, but not limited to, newspapers and studies — are critical. In other words, a free press. It also helps if people can differentiate between "news" and "opinion," a line that's increasingly blurred, especially on cable television and talk radio.

                          Politicians have a strong talent in claiming mistakess the other parties do as the end of the world, while dismissing their own mistakes as things of no importance.
                          They wouldn't be politicians if they didn't do that.

                          So you have the problem to present the informations in a way that also the average Joe understands them while at the same time trying to present them as emotionless and unbiased as possible.
                          Yes, it's easier said than done. It's why advertising is more effective than, say, a 45-minute class. The former is usually flash and has no substance, but it's quick and less time-consuming. The latter is the opposite — informative, but more time-consuming. Heh. Not a good combo in today's go-go world.

                          (And of course you have to prevent any campaigns of the parties to persuade the average Joe that some of the informations are important while others are meaningless)
                          True. It's just a personal preference, but I'm more interested in substantive issues such as the ongoing war in Iraq and the economy than I am about gay marriage and flag burning. The first two are far more likely to affect me than the latter two.

                          Gatekeeper
                          "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                          "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                          • #73
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: I Am No Longer a Republican ...

                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            I'm sorry. I might not have been as clear as I should have been (Though Drake got what I was refering to). You seem to have been refering to neo-conservatives as if they had a political ideaology. I was a bit confused by that and was wondering if you might explain it a bit further.
                            Hmm. I mainly identify neo-cons with our foreign policies more than anything else. I see the religious right wing as a different element w/i the Republican party, more or less focused on domestic issues, although I suppose there is some cross-over WRT supporting Israel.

                            I included both in my OP because I see them as the driving forces behind my becoming independent instead of GOP. I imagine most of them won't mourn the exit of folks like me. Oh, well. It might bite them in the buttocks down the road.

                            Gatekeeper
                            "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                            "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by PLATO
                              I support the ideas of strong national defense, fiscal responsibility, and personal freedom and accountability. That used to make me a Republican. Not sure what I am now......
                              An "old-time" Republican?
                              "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll die defending your right to say it." — Voltaire

                              "Wheresoever you go, go with all your heart." — Confucius

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by PLATO
                                I support the ideas of strong national defense, fiscal responsibility, and personal freedom and accountability. That used to make me a Republican. Not sure what I am now......
                                I call BS.
                                "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                                "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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