Irony

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


Ummm, no, he was about as bad as his brother. I'm glad he's dead.

is ure would like to see some evidence to support that, and not just hearsay and rumors.

[Harry Tuttle]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qusay_Hussein

Yeah...

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qusay_Hussein

Yeah...

Umm, so where are the stories of kidnapping and raping women.

In fact, have you read the article yet? Or did you miss the part where I said without the hearsay?

EDIT: sorry, that was uncalled for.

So his crimes include:

Assisting in crushing the Shiite uprising. big deal.

Supposedly having an engineer killed. But that is information from an Iraqi dissident group


and

draining marshlands, destrying the habitat of birds.....


none of that is

nor did he do grotesque stuff like kidnapping brides and raping them on their wedding nights, as with the Hussein bros.

I don't want to see any links to stories of him kicking around babies after they had been knocked out of their incubators either.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by NeOmega


Umm, so where are the stories of kidnapping and raping women.

In fact, have you read the article yet? Or did you miss the part where I said without the hearsay?

EDIT: sorry, that was uncalled for.

So his crimes include:

Assisting in crushing the Shiite uprising. big deal.

Supposedly having an engineer killed. But that is information from an Iraqi dissident group


and

draining marshlands, destrying the habitat of birds.....


none of that is





I don't want to see any links to stories of him kicking around babies after they had been knocked out of their incubators either.

Sigh. Whatever. And the Marsh Arabs lived in the marshlands. They are a wholly different culture from Iraq.

[NeOmega]

Still not raping virgin women on their wedding night.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle
One would say that the greatest sacrifice is giving your life in the protection of others...

Yes, but some might say that it's only a worthy sacrifice if those you are trying to protect are worthy: i.e., if they are Sunni muslims. Our people certainly value the lives of Americans far more than we value the lives of Iraqis. While I strongly disagree with both points of view, the point I'm trying to make is that these people do not see themselves as evil. They see us as evil. So evil that any sacrifice is valid.

This is not to say that I'm trying to sympathize with their view. I don't. They are a threat to me and everything I hold dear. They think the same of us.

They think they are decent men. That makes them even more dangerous.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by Harry Tuttle


Sigh. Whatever. And the Marsh Arabs lived in the marshlands. They are a wholly different culture from Iraq.

Removing people from their homes is legal, right here in the United States, if it is for the good of the state, country city or county.

It sucks, it shouldn't be, but it is.

I don't think we should be cheering anybodies death for being involved in it.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by NeOmega


Removing people from their homes is legal, right here in the United States, if it is for the good of the state, country city or county.

It sucks, it shouldn't be, but it is.

I don't think we should be cheering anybodies death for being involved in it.

And if you seriously assert that the process in the US is anything similar to that of Hussein & sons, then you're just pedantic, trolling, or pathetically naive.

Getting witnesses to come forward about crimes committed by the Hussein regime is still difficult and dangerous, so why would people bother to do so regarding crimes committed by the two very dead sons? (who still have very alive co-conspirators and supporters)

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

MtG no residual power left in your banning rod? One more permaban would be fitting.

[Elok]

Uh, Che, it's not US policy AFAIK to intentionally bomb mosques or other public places, or to target civilians (aside from over-deployed Marines freaking out under stress), nor do we especially want those people killing each other. Our main (declared) objective, asinine as it is, is to make the world safe for democracy or some such. I imagine most of our soldiers, including the recruiters, are motivated by a desire to prevent further terrorist attacks on the U.S. or elsewhere, or to promote democracy. The means are rather idiotic, but the ends are good.

This is assuming you don't buy into the conspiracy theories about oil and such, which I don't. Nor do I think the war was provoked by Halliburton or whoever; they took grotesque advantage of the situation, but that was to be expected. Certainly military personnel aren't out there risking their lives because they want to help price-gouge for contractors who did favors for Bush's campaign way back when. I don't know what this Flowers guy did, like I said, but I suspect his "crime" was just doing his job a bit too callously and efficiently.

Zarqawi's declared objective, on the other hand, was to foment a civil war between the two factions. He plainly and proudly targeted the unarmed and nonviolent as a matter of policy. He was not seeking peace but continual war and death. The two are very different, at least to my eye.

[Jon Miller]

I hold no ill will towards a large number of the arabs and others who are fighting us.

They shouldn't target civilians on any side, and they should be careful of hiding behind their civilians because it will hurt their civilians...

Jon Miller

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Elok

Zarqawi's declared objective, on the other hand, was to foment a civil war between the two factions.

I would be interested in seeing an example of him saying this.

[Harry Tuttle]

Originally posted by General Ludd


I would be interested in seeing an example of him saying this.

Well he didn't say it, but he wrote it down.

http://www.startribune.com/722/story/494515.html

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-06-15-alqaeda-zarqawi_x.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-06-15-zarqawi-text_x.htm

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
MtG no residual power left in your banning rod? One more permaban would be fitting.

Nope, seems the law has left this place for good.

[NeOmega]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat


And if you seriously assert that the process in the US is anything similar to that of Hussein & sons, then you're just pedantic, trolling, or pathetically naive.

I am seriously asserting this. The crimes levelled against Qusay to me are not that agregious. Even diverting water flow from the marshes is not enough of a crime to be cheering somebody's death liek alot of people have.

Guilt by Association. Qusay was not Uday, and Qusay was not Saddam....

...and honestly, I think you knew that it was guilt by association when you wrote "Hussein and sons", but you tried to see if you could get away with it any way. Because you knew full well I was not defending "Hussein and Sons" but instead, Qusay Hussein. I have not made any arguments about Uday or Saddam not deserving cheering for their death, yet you deliberately tried to peg me as saying as much, and then call me a troll.



And this one is for building a strawman

Getting witnesses to come forward about crimes committed by the Hussein regime is still difficult and dangerous, so why would people bother to do so regarding crimes committed by the two very dead sons? (who still have very alive co-conspirators and supporters)

You would think in a nation with 300,000 people murdered by Saddam Hussein, especially in the Shiite areas, where actual retribution would have to be levied by sunnis, that there would be more witnesses.


I don't like that Qusay is lumped in with Uday.

And I don't think it is right now to cheer Qusay's death.

that is all I am saying.