Global Warming: On the Record

[Solly]

Originally posted by BlackCat



Moby, moby, you keep on showing that you doesn't have a clue

IPCC has released a "short story" aimed at politicians and medias. You would think that it is based on scientiific evidenceses, but that is not the fact. The scientific evidence that are supposed to back up this "short story"isnt released for several moths. Why ? Well, there are some modifications that are nessecary in these scientific results so they "doesn't disagreee with the short story".

If global warming is such a serious problem, can we please have competent scientists producing competent science.

Absent error bars and summaries released before the report is just an incompetent shambles, designed purely for spin purposes.

And I thought you had a history Mobe of correctly spotting dodgy dossiers..

[Solly]

The global warming scientific method:

[Solly]

A destruction of the unscientific nonsense spewed out by the politically corrupt and scientifically fraudulent IPCC:

http://ff.org/centers/csspp/pdf/20070201_monckton.pdf

[Jaakko]

Oh dear, now it's the tinfoil brigade's turn. I feel more and more that the anti-climate change crowd takes the short bus to school every morning. Or would, if the school personnel didn't call the cops on sight.

[Solly]

Originally posted by Jaakko
Oh dear, now it's the tinfoil brigade's turn. I feel more and more that the anti-climate change crowd takes the short bus to school every morning. Or would, if the school personnel didn't call the cops on sight.

[Straybow]

Global warming is the result of anthropomorphic banana smileys.

[Zkribbler]

Re: Re: Global Warming: On the Record

Originally posted by Doddler
Global Warming is occurring and is partly anthropogenic (several factors including CO2 and land-use patterns), but mainly a natural cycle.

Global Warming is occurring and is partly anthropogenic and partially a natural cycle, but no one knows how much is caused by one and how much by the other.

It's gonna be a megaproblem either way, but no one knows what to do about it.

(I tried leaving my refrigerator door open, but scientific tests show that the results were negligable -- except on my carton of milk, which went bad )

[Solly]

Re: Re: Re: Global Warming: On the Record

Originally posted by Zkribbler




It's gonna be a megaproblem either way,

Why? A lot of the negative consequences are those thrown out by computer models, which are untested against reality, and which display several problems in their understanding of basic climatic processes, especially around the tropics and on a sub-grid cell level.

[PuddlewatchHQ]

Sad, just sad.

Originally posted by Doddler


Why? A lot of the negative consequences are those thrown out by computer models, which are untested against reality, and which display several problems in their understanding of basic climatic processes, especially around the tropics and on a sub-grid cell level.

It sounds like you haven't successfully convinced yourself of your own arguement. Yet. Why don't you drop us a line when you get around to finishing your own take on this issue. That's assuming any of us are still amoung the living.

[RGBVideo]

Global warming caused by humans is currently occuring. It's effects on us will be very marginal compared to the doomsday scenarios we have encountered in movies, TV-programmes, and politically loaded speeches during the last three decades (1980s, 90s, 00s). I presume the worst effects will be caused by unpredictability of new weathern patterns and regional changes in climate zones.

So basically,

Where's the "occurring and anthropogenic but I still don't give a damn" option?

I agree.

[LordShiva]

VJ is back

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Jaakko


And with the scalding rebuke of BlackCat, all the scientific work gathered by the IPCC comes crashing down. If only they'd known that the real answer lies not in field work and computer modeling, but in BlackCat's head!

I bet you're already getting letters of apology from the top universities in the world.

Odin is a persistent supporter of "humans to blame", but he usually have documentation of some kind when he says something.

That oneliner was nothing but an attempt to troll and got an appropriate answer.

He is actually way smarter than that sentence could lead you to belive.

[Provost Harrison]

Damn, I thought my awful joke had seen this thread off!

[Provost Harrison]

Whatever the verdict on global warming is, I still get the feeling that this is nothing but a cynical ploy on behalf of our governments to extract more tax. All I have seen from our government is a desire to tax those 'evil polluters' such as car drivers and the like (although of course, an elaborate system of evasion for friends of government has been devised in the form of these emission credits, and possibly a new industry for parasites in the city to profiteer off) to be taxed more and more...despite the fact that the alternatives are increasing in price at an even higher rate - the price of a return for me to central London went up by almost 20% from last year. Where is the incentive when you are just trapping people into a cycle where all that happens is they pay out more money.

I think green policies, at least as they stand, are just a ploy to extort more money out of the taxpayer by using scare tactics. It is what our government seems to be good at - fear. Fear of terrorism, fear of ecological catastrophe, used to manipulate people to their own way and get away with, quite literally, murder. Politics have never manifested themselves in such a nasty form...

[Sava]

I think there isn't enough scientific data to suggest any conclusions about climate change. There wasn't been enough reliable science to formulate patterns regarding the long term effects of human interaction with the environment to justify the all the fear.

Yes, pumping massive amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere is a bad thing and is influencing how the climate would be otherwise changing. But to what degree? It's impossible to know the real answers. It is a question of balancing economic issues with environmental issues and at this point, there isn't enough information to justify radical changes to our economy.

It's easy for much of Europe to sit back and whine about climate change. If the currents in the Atlantic Ocean are disrupted and climate patterns in Europe turn much colder, European economies will suffer. Europe is also much farther ahead of the curve when it comes to cleaner forms of energy. They don't rely as much on industries or forms of energy that produce greenhouse emissions. It's easy for the Euro's to lecture the rest of the world about climate change because it's likely in their interest to prevent it, and because they wouldn't have much to lose by making "cleaner" changes.

Having said that, it would be irresponsible to not research cleaner and more efficient forms of energy. However, the economics are simple. Dirtier is cheaper. Until a breakthrough is made, people can whine all they want. Nothing will change. The climate might, but we will just have to adapt. Earth will not turn into Venus, despite the outrageous claims of many people who are going way beyond what limited science is available on the subject of climate change.