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  • #76
    Never mind all that, did Oerdin eat the chicken?
    Speaking of Erith:

    "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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    • #77
      Originally posted by General Ludd


      Organic only means that the animals aren't given antibiotics, anything else is fair game. There are organic feed lots now a days.


      There are other standards as well as certification requirements as well. I am aware that it says nothing about how the animal is to be slaughtered or the conditions of the plant, but given the whole ideology behind the organic movement in the first place, I would be surprised to find organic meat produced in the same lax and dangerous conditions as regular meat.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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      • #78
        Originally posted by chegitz guevara
        Originally posted by General Ludd


        Organic only means that the animals aren't given antibiotics, anything else is fair game. There are organic feed lots now a days.


        There are other standards as well as certification requirements as well. I am aware that it says nothing about how the animal is to be slaughtered or the conditions of the plant, but given the whole ideology behind the organic movement in the first place, I would be surprised to find organic meat produced in the same lax and dangerous conditions as regular meat.
        I heard a radio program last week about this, the person talking was Michael Pollan I haven't read any of his books, but he mentioned that while he was doing research for "The omnivore's dilemna" he followed organic meat to it's source and was surprised to discover that a great deal of it was coming from feed lots that where really no different than where most other meat comes from. There are other requirements for the organic label, but they are all quite vague and it's easy to avoid them for all intents and purposes.


        For instance, it is required that the animal have access to the outdoors, but it is not required that the animal ever eat a single blade of grass, or even actualy go outside at all. In one of the chicken sheds he went to, with more than 20,000 chickens in it, there was a hundred yard strip of fenced area that ran along the side of the shed, and chickens where only given access to it after 5 weeks (they are slaughtered at week seven) and because they have never previously steped outside before, none of them do when the gates are opened to them anyways.

        The term "organic" has largely been hijacked as a commercial gimmick. The only thing it guantees is that there are no antibiotics in the meat, and no pesticides on fruits vegetables. That's something, but it is a huge departure from what the word used to represent. Really, the only to be sure that you are geting real organic produce is to buy from local farmers. (how organic is it to ship produce half way around the world, anyways?)
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        • #79
          I've read an article on his book. While I'm definately concerned, he also makes the point that the vast majority of organic producers still do things the old way. It's the large producers you have to worry about.

          And even organic hens get tossed into wood chippers after their laying days are over. I know. It ain't perfect, but it's better than regular. And I ain't going vegitarian.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #80
            I just drank a bit of my mocha from yesterday morning (Friday morning)

            it tasted foul, so after a swallow I stopped drinking it and threw it away

            do they go bad?

            Jon Miller
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Provost Harrison
              Never mind all that, did Oerdin eat the chicken?
              It ended up in the garbage disposal.
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              • #82
                I think freerange might mean what you want it to Che..

                When did the farming industry become so industrialized?

                JM
                Jon Miller-
                I AM.CANADIAN
                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Jon Miller
                  I just drank a bit of my mocha from yesterday morning (Friday morning)

                  it tasted foul, so after a swallow I stopped drinking it and threw it away

                  do they go bad?

                  Jon Miller
                  Mocha's contain milk. It is possible they gave you bad milk in your mocha.
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                  • #84
                    err, it tasted fine Friday morning

                    it tasted off just a bit now..

                    what is the results of drinking milk, coffee, and mocha (??) that had been sitting in a starbucks cup for a day and a half in my office?

                    JM
                    Jon Miller-
                    I AM.CANADIAN
                    GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Jon Miller
                      I think freerange might mean what you want it to Che..

                      When did the farming industry become so industrialized?

                      JM
                      During the ironically named "green revolution", i guess

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