The god of the old testament has . . . . issues

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Kidicious

Why does God even talk to Satan, let alone accept his challenges? The whole idea of them having a conversation is incredible.

Why would God have to test people? It is written that he already knows where our hearts lie. Why didn't he already know whether Job would curse him or not? At any rate, why does he care. If Job is going to curse him than it is what it is, so why does God have to dish out massive suffering?

Ok, so we are told that God will cause us suffering, you still haven't justified it.


Bull****. God is responsible for everything. He is omnipotent. He created us. He knows everything we will do.

The book of Job is not in the Torah and while it is unfortunately in the Jewish tradition, lots of Jews will flat out dismiss it. Its horrific. I have no doubt in my mind it is entirely the creation of man and has absolutely no divine inspiration in it, and thus is not proof G-D is an angry bastard.

This view is not unanimous in Judaism but.. G-D does not test us. We don't reconcile inconsistancies our holy scriptures or in our lives by saying "G-D tests us this way!" and thus make G-D look like a petty jackass.

In Judaism faith is for lack of a better word, stupid.

[Kidlicious]

I'm willing to accept that God creates suffering for a reason, but the way the Book of Job is written, it just makes God look like a real ass. I'm amazed that people try to justify it. I think it would be better just to admit that it's crap.

[Vesayen]

Well lots-o-Jews will easily dismiss the book of Job as being written entirley by man-it does not hold any divine statue and is certainly not held as history.

Job never happened, most Jews will tell you that, and most Jews will also tell you it was not divinly inspired.

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by aneeshm
Update : I've purchased the New International Version ,because it was a choice between that and the KJV . The KJV is rather unreadable without getting a headache , so I went for the one I went for .

Question : Is it good enough ?

Could someone please answer this question of mine ?

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by Vesayen


The book of Job is not in the Torah and while it is unfortunately in the Jewish tradition, lots of Jews will flat out dismiss it.

this is part of the reason christians use the term "old testament". they do so because it's a different (larger) collection of books than the torah.

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by aneeshm


Could someone please answer this question of mine ?

I read the NIV. I started with king james version but I dislike that sort of prose so I switched to NIV.

[Arrian]

G-D is a kind, forgiving G-D. You really are nitpicking at the instances you pick out, to "prove" otherwise.

On this, like Jon and I, you and I must agree to disagree. I assert that I am not doing that. You think I am. :shrug: So be it.

I've thought about my beliefs more than simply picking at Genesis or Exodus.

-Arrian

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Well lots-o-Jews will easily dismiss the book of Job as being written entirley by man-it does not hold any divine statue and is certainly not held as history.

Job never happened, most Jews will tell you that, and most Jews will also tell you it was not divinly inspired.

And upon what do they base this assertion?

[aneeshm]

@ Geronimo : After taking a second look at the Upanishads as translated by Nikhilananda , I have come to the conclusion that they are too abstruse for a layperson . I have taken it upon myself to translate the Kathopanishada ( one of the most well-known ) from the Hindi to the English , and distribute it under a Creative Commons license . I will post the results of my work periodically in a thread devoted to it , probably beginning tomorrow .

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Vesayen


The book of Job is not in the Torah and while it is unfortunately in the Jewish tradition, lots of Jews will flat out dismiss it. Its horrific. I have no doubt in my mind it is entirely the creation of man and has absolutely no divine inspiration in it, and thus is not proof G-D is an angry bastard.

This view is not unanimous in Judaism but.. G-D does not test us. We don't reconcile inconsistancies our holy scriptures or in our lives by saying "G-D tests us this way!" and thus make G-D look like a petty jackass.

In Judaism faith is for lack of a better word, stupid.

There is faith without testing. Also all Christians don't have the opinion that God tests us, that is only a subset (I think a minority subset).

JM

[Vesayen]

Faith is still stupid. Better to know something then have faith about it. If you have faith in something, how do you know you may not have faith in something untrue? Faith does not distinguish between what is true and what is not so you may blindly give your allegiance to something which is not.

When I say this, I don't mean to offend Christians or Muslims or well, anyone else heh. It is a command by G-D(and a pretty important one) to respect other religions and peoples, but from the Jewish perspective, faith is not something desirable. For example... if you only have faith in the Jewish G-D and your entire reason to be Jewish is that faith, how do you know you won't have some mystical experience and convert to some other religion?

I am aware that not all Christians believe G-D tests us heh.

[Jon Miller]

You are familiar with the (Christian) arguments that Abraham et all had faith?

In fact, in Christian circles, that is basically the definition of Faith.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Actually, your post shows that you don't understand Christianity very much.

Jon Miller

[Geronimo]

Originally posted by aneeshm
@ Geronimo : After taking a second look at the Upanishads as translated by Nikhilananda , I have come to the conclusion that they are too abstruse for a layperson . I have taken it upon myself to translate the Kathopanishada ( one of the most well-known ) from the Hindi to the English , and distribute it under a Creative Commons license . I will post the results of my work periodically in a thread devoted to it , probably beginning tomorrow .

wow!

thanks!

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
You are familiar with the (Christian) arguments that Abraham et all had faith?

In fact, in Christian circles, that is basically the definition of Faith.

JM

G-D spoke to Abraham. Hardly an act of faith.

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Actually, your post shows that you don't understand Christianity very much.

Jon Miller

Would you care to express how?