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  • As far as the cure argument is concerned, it's a bit more complicated than that. See, some people seem full-fledged autistic as children, but as they grow up they decide to come out of their shell on their own. Only there's no way to tell that in advance, and anyway parents don't want the emotional and financial version of raising an incapacitated child, no matter how the kid turns out.

    Enter Applied Behavioral Analysis therapy, which involves expensive, very intensive (tens of hours per week) sessions with a shrink as the kid is growing up, being socialized. I've yet to find a consistent, unbiased opinion on the therapy--aspie advocates say it's cruel or doesn't work, behaviorists of course beg to differ. I don't know. But the basic premise of the therapy seems fishy; if you're autistic, you know the disorder is pretty firmly grounded in neurological causes. Some of the major theories have been mentioned in this thread already. Parents of autistic kids often "just know" that there's a normal child trapped inside the autistic core, and they get defensive very quickly if anyone claims otherwise. Personally, I find it hard to imagine that ABA does more than turn the child into an elaborate performing animal.

    There are "success stories" for the treatment, but few that cover the long-term. The use of aversives, e.g. physical pain, was only discontinued a little over a decade ago, and there's an argument over whether it works now, or if it ever worked at all. Factor in cases where treated autistics went bonkers later in life, plus the extreme emotional force hanging from both sides, and you've got a really messy argument. And that's just for a form of treatment. There's a whole different ethical mess involved in genetic cures, special diets, and selective abortions.
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      Last edited by Darius871; June 7, 2006, 19:41.
      Unbelievable!

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      • Originally posted by Solver
        Japher, stop spamming or you'll be getting restricted.
        Stop treating Japhies like second class citizens! OMG!!1

        Originally posted by Elok
        Good, just please don't pull the religion threadjack just yet. WRT Einstein and such: it's politically useful, you might say. It's a way to discourage people from assuming we're defective and treating us as second-class citizens. Mind you, I honestly think he was, I'm not just playing games--but, with the growing movement towards ABA treatment or even "cures," it's good to have examples to point to that indicate we can have happy, productive lives. Even without the cure trend, it's incredibly frustrating to be a perfectly fulfilled human being who gets treated like a ****** or a pariah.
        Yeah, what we need is an Aspie Magneto!
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        • Originally posted by Solver
          This is really, really scary.

          The Michigan Mental Health Code provides that a person

          whose judgment is so impaired that he or she is unable to understand his or her need for treatment and whose continued behavior as the result of this mental illness can reasonably be expected, on the basis of competent clinical opinion, to result in significant physical harm to himself or herself or others

          may be subjected to involuntary commitment, a provision paralleled in the laws of many other jurisdictions.


          You can pretty much put anything under that definition. A person who can't understand the need for his treatment. That's how Soviet people who said something against communism were locked up. They were obviously insane, and so insane that they didn't know only a sick person could say something against communism. Hence, forced confinement to an institution.
          I've heard of plenty of horror stories of people put in mental instututions ending up in far worse shape then when they went in, all because a shrink declared that his patient was in denial about his condition when that person actually didn't have the condition.

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          • what the **** does this have to do with aspergers SOLVER!

            nobody is locked up for aspergers! and if they are then Im wrong and don't care.
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            • Somebody seems to be having the delusion that people take a third-rate porn-actor seriously.
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              • thanks colon, at least you thought about me.

                and just because people don't care, doesnt mean they don't remember. You did
                "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                • Originally posted by Ecthy


                  I've looked at that movie title for a few minutes now, nothing happened...
                  Silly moo...
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                  "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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