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  • #16
    Anyway, it has to be said:

    George W. Bush: great president, or the greatest president?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Ecthy
      Well Ted, the question is will there be a court ruling in the US calling the war illegal? Hs it happened already?
      That could never happen, because 1) the war was perfectly legal and 2) it's a political question.

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      • #18
        Is being at the recieving end of a blowjob performed in the Oval Office by your secretary a legal reason to oust a president? Seems like a clear example of detournement de pouvoir to me...

        "When the American republics begin to denegerate, I believe that one will be able to recognize it easily: it will be enough to see if the number of of political judgments rises."
        - Alexis de Toqueville, Democracy in America.

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        • #19
          Is being at the recieving end of a blowjob performed in the Oval Office by your secretary a legal reason to oust a president?


          1) The impeachment was perfectly legal, as it was for perjury, not getting a blowjob. (It's still obviously stupid, but there's nothing unconstitutional about stupidity.) Congress can remove the president if he commits high crimes or misdemeanors, or commits treason or is bribed. Perjury is a high crime or misdemeanor.

          2) Impeachment and conviction of the executive is done through the legislature, not the courts.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Heerscher
            Is being at the recieving end of a blowjob performed in the Oval Office by your secretary a legal reason to oust a president? Seems like a clear example of detournement de pouvoir to me...
            I hate to re-open this can of worms but ...
            1) Nitpicky but Lewinski was an intern, not his secretary.
            2) it was never about Clinton getting a blowjob. The impeachment was about the perjury and obstruction of justice.
            'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
            G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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            • #21
              George W. Bush: great president, or the greatest president?


              Great president. He's certainly tried his best, but he's yet to unseat Nixon as our greatest president.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                  Bull****. Three years ago you were still chanting USA! USA! USA! to pictures of Britney Spears.
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #24
                    I'll have you all know that I called Ted out as a dirty liar over six years ago...
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                      He's #1!
                      QFE.
                      B♭3

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                      • #26
                        Point taken. But I still believe the initiative to start the impeachement procedure was politically motivated. Trying to oust a president for political gain is a clear sign to me of a political system that is disfunctioning.

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                        • #27
                          I see you can screw someone in the Oval Office, invent a genocide, bomb Serbia, destroy every kind of political stability in the Balkans, make yourself ridiculous worldwide and still be better than Bush
                          I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                          Asher on molly bloom

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                          • #28
                            Setting aside whether or not one agrees with your characterization of Clinton's actions vis-a-vis Serbia/Kosovo,

                            YES.

                            -Arrian
                            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                            • #29
                              I'm no fan of W, but I don't think it's fair to include current presidents in a poll like this. If a current president is very unpopular, then of course everyone will name him as worst ever.
                              ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                              ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                              • #30
                                Dubya... bad president, or WORST PRESIDENT?

                                -Arrian
                                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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