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Originally posted by Victor Galis
My point is that the US was the aggressor in that war. They're not always the good guys, you know.
My point is that the US was the aggressor in that war. They're not always the good guys, you know.
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well to be fair, the treaty they made Santa Anna sign did indeed say the border was the Rio Grande. Though Santa Anna complained it was made under duress and thus invalid.
In a court of law, maybe. As it had been done in warfare for centuries, Anna had no claim. You think Peter the Great whined that the Turks forced him to sign a treaty while he was there "guest" cuz the stupid oaf got himself captured on the banks of the Pruth? No, he sucked it up and didn't attack the Turks anymore.
Maybe Anna should have taken the Texans more seriously and posted guards while they were taking their siesta. Didn't they post guards at night? He was an awful leader for Mexico. The only parts that broke away that he managed to hold on to were Chiapas and the Yucatan.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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1. They were Kentucky Long Rifles and Bowie knives.Originally posted by Ted Striker
Well yeah having cannons aimed at you does do that
2. Santa Anna lost all rights to complain after he slaughter the defenders at the Alamo and the garrision at Goliad.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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I guess he wasn't expecting the "Texicans" to take a pragmatic approach, and just walk on over while they were taking a siesta.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Maybe Anna should have taken the Texans more seriously and posted guards while they were taking their siesta. Didn't they post guards at night? He was an awful leader for Mexico. The only parts that broke away that he managed to hold on to were Chiapas and the Yucatan.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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The defenders of the Alamo were a bunch a drunks and hoodlums.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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And agitaters!Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The defenders of the Alamo were a bunch a drunks and hoodlums.
Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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The same thing can be said of us here at Apolyton.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
The defenders of the Alamo were a bunch a drunks and hoodlums.
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Yellow Sticky of the Interweb.Originally posted by SlowwHand
Good reference site.
Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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Most treaties signed to end conflicts are signed under duress. The winner says to the loser, sign or the war goes on.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Well to be fair, the treaty they made Santa Anna sign did indeed say the border was the Rio Grande. Though Santa Anna complained it was made under duress and thus invalid.
That doesn't make the peace treaty invalid.
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Ted's article is the accpeted history of the region.
Slowwhand's "oral account" (note that no references are cited) is at best pseudo-historical, apologist rubbish.
Mexico was (part of) an original province of the Republic of Mexico. Austin bought the land from Spain, but settled it long after (two years) it became part of Mexico. Settlement into Texas with the knowledge that it was a part of Mexico is very evident.Comment
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Actually, the Texans rebelled because Santa Anna nullified the constitution.Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.Comment
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Let's see...Once upon a time, the border between Mexico and Texas was the Nueces River. But the Texicans successfully rebelled from Mexico, and Santa Anna signed a treaty recognizing the Rio Grande as Mexico's border with Texas.
Years passed.
Texas signed a treaty joining the U.S. as a state.
Santa Anna begins making territorial claims on the lands between the Nueces and the Rio Grande. The U.S. sends troops into the newly disputed territory. The Mexicans cross the Rio Grande, kill 11 of the U.S. troops and capture most of the rest.
Where does Slowwhand diverge from the article?
How is Slowwhand an apologist?Comment
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