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    MEXICO CITY - If
    Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor. If Argentina native Sergio Villanueva, firefighter hero of the Sept. 11 attacks, had moved to Tecate instead of New York, he wouldn't have been allowed on the force.

    Even as Mexico presses the United States to grant unrestricted citizenship to millions of undocumented Mexican migrants, its officials at times calling U.S. policies "xenophobic," Mexico places daunting limitations on anyone born outside its territory.

    In the United States, only two posts — the presidency and vice presidency — are reserved for the native born.

    In Mexico, non-natives are banned from those and thousands of other jobs, even if they are legal, naturalized citizens.

    Foreign-born Mexicans can't hold seats in either house of the congress. They're also banned from state legislatures, the Supreme Court and all governorships. Many states ban foreign-born Mexicans from spots on town councils. And Mexico's Constitution reserves almost all federal posts, and any position in the military and merchant marine, for "native-born Mexicans."

    Recently the Mexican government has gone even further. Since at least 2003, it has encouraged cities to ban non-natives from such local jobs as firefighters, police and judges.

    Mexico's Interior Department — which recommended the bans as part of "model" city statutes it distributed to local officials — could cite no basis for extending the bans to local posts.

    After being contacted by The Associated Press about the issue, officials changed the wording in two statutes to delete the "native-born" requirements, although they said the modifications had nothing to do with AP's inquiries.

    "These statutes have been under review for some time, and they have, or are about to be, changed," said an Interior Department official, who was not authorized to be quoted by name.

    But because the "model" statues are fill-in-the-blanks guides for framing local legislation, many cities across Mexico have already enacted such bans. They have done so even though foreigners constitute a tiny percentage of the population and pose little threat to Mexico's job market.

    The foreign-born make up just 0.5 percent of Mexico's 105 million people, compared with about 13 percent in the United States, which has a total population of 299 million. Mexico grants citizenship to about 3,000 people a year, compared to the U.S. average of almost a half million.

    "There is a need for a little more openness, both at the policy level and in business affairs," said David Kim, president of the Mexico-Korea Association, which represents the estimated 20,000 South Koreans in Mexico, many of them naturalized citizens.

    "The immigration laws are very difficult ... and they put obstacles in the way that make it more difficult to compete," Kim said, although most foreigners don't come to Mexico seeking government posts.

    J. Michael Waller, of the Center for Security Policy in Washington, was more blunt. "If American policy-makers are looking for legal models on which to base new laws restricting immigration and expelling foreign lawbreakers, they have a handy guide: the Mexican constitution," he said in a recent article on immigration.

    Some Mexicans agree their country needs to change.

    "This country needs to be more open," said Francisco Hidalgo, a 50-year-old video producer. "In part to modernize itself, and in part because of the contribution these (foreign-born) people could make."

    Others express a more common view, a distrust of foreigners that academics say is rooted in Mexico's history of foreign invasions and the loss of territory in the 1847-48 Mexican-American War.

    Speaking of the hundreds of thousands of Central Americans who enter Mexico each year, chauffeur Arnulfo Hernandez, 57, said: "The ones who want to reach the United States, we should send them up there. But the ones who want to stay here, it's usually for bad reasons, because they want to steal or do drugs."

    Some say progress is being made. Mexico's president no longer is required to be at least a second-generation native-born. That law was changed in 1999 to clear the way for candidates who have one foreign-born parent, like President
    Vicente Fox, whose mother is from Spain.

    But the pace of change is slow. The state of Baja California still requires candidates for the state legislature to prove both their parents were native born.



    Keep them moving north? I think that is the solution to our problem. Keep them moving north. The Canadians are much better people. They would accept them much more than we do
    Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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    If Arnold Schwarzenegger had migrated to Mexico instead of the United States, he couldn't be a governor.


    So what? You stop people from being Prez or VP if they weren't born in the US...
    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
    Stadtluft Macht Frei
    Killing it is the new killing it
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    • #3
      Hell, even the RC church allows converts to become Pope...
      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
      Stadtluft Macht Frei
      Killing it is the new killing it
      Ultima Ratio Regum

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      • #4
        cant you let sprayber have his "america is such a better place than mexico" thread? he only wants this thread so he can justify keeping them out lest they ruin the U.S.

        my solution. regime change in mexico.
        "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
        'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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        • #5
          Mexico sucks.
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • #6
            which is why we need to liberalize their economy and steal their women. then we dole the women out to them based on progress made towards not being a place they want to flee.

            sure the incident of packrape would increase to mythic proportions, but what goes on south of the border just better not rub off on me.
            "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
            'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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            • #7
              Originally posted by MRT144
              cant you let sprayber have his "america is such a better place than mexico" thread? he only wants this thread so he can justify keeping them out lest they ruin the U.S.

              my solution. regime change in mexico.
              Not really the point of this thread but now that you mention it, the US is a much better place dumbass otherwise their people wouldn't be killing themselves to get here

              The point is if they want to talk about the US not giving their people a chance to do better than they should look at their own set of laws.
              Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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              • #8
                but why would they want to change when they can easily flee to the land o milk and honey? and complain in the process! its a no lose situation!
                "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MRT144
                  but why would they want to change when they can easily flee to the land o milk and honey? and complain in the process! its a no lose situation!
                  Which is why we should funnel them north as well. Surely our neighbors to the north would want to share the opportunities that immigrants bring.
                  Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul Tigh

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                  • #10
                    cant we make like a super funnel that funnels them to russia?
                    "I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
                    'I'm fairly certain that a ban on me punching you in the face is not a "right" worth respecting." - loinburger

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sprayber


                      Which is why we should funnel them north as well. Surely our neighbors to the north would want to share the opportunities that immigrants bring.
                      Given that we let in twice as many immigrants per capita as you do, I thought we already were.
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sprayber


                        Not really the point of this thread but now that you mention it, the US is a much better place dumbass otherwise their people wouldn't be killing themselves to get here

                        The point is if they want to talk about the US not giving their people a chance to do better than they should look at their own set of laws.
                        Since when is Mexico a "land of Immigrants"?

                        I guess I missed that giant statue of liberty in Veracruz harbor...
                        If you don't like reality, change it! me
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                        • #13
                          Including undocumented workers, KH?
                          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by GePap


                            Since when is Mexico a "land of Immigrants"?

                            I guess I missed that giant statue of liberty in Veracruz harbor...
                            Yes, a "land of immigrants", most of whom went through Ellis Island (you know, that speck of land near Liberty Island?), GAVE THEIR NAMES, and REGISTERED.

                            ...

                            I have no problems letting more immigrants in, and I agree that the current quota system is stupid, but I would like to know who is coming in, and have them subjected to at least the same level of documentation I am.
                            No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by MRT144
                              cant you let sprayber have his "america is such a better place than mexico" thread? he only wants this thread so he can justify keeping them out lest they ruin the U.S.
                              We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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