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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
AH! That explains it!
AH! That explains it!
edit: actually I'm going home now.
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Yes. I'm getting punchy. I better sleep soon.
edit: actually I'm going home now.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Because if we allow arbitrary, unlimited ranges of meaning for every word in the English language, it's pretty useless as a tool for communication.Originally posted by Kidicious
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Tool for communication = brain washing.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Because if we allow arbitrary, unlimited ranges of meaning for every word in the English language, it's pretty useless as a tool for communication.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Stupid, uneducated people are the easiest to brainwash, you silly man.
By the way, there is a difference between intelligence (or lack thereof) and education (or lack thereof). One can be intelligent but uneducated, and one can be dumb but educated. Obviously, the smart (and motivated, I would add) student will get more out of the education, but that doesn't mean you just pat the dumb kid on the head and send him to shop class. At least not without some effort to pound basic English and Math into his skull first.
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I find it very interesting that Marx developed an entire lexicon for the express purpose of brainwashing people."Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
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I don't find that to be try. Strongminded is not the same as intelligent.Originally posted by Arrian
Stupid, uneducated people are the easiest to brainwash, you silly man.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Strongminded? Is that like stubborn?
Ok, I'll grant you that education doesn't necessarily make people less gullible... at least with respect to subjects they didn't specifically study.
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No, not like stubborn. It means you can think for yourself. The people who do well on tests, only demonstrate that they can think like teacher tells them to think, not for themselves.Originally posted by Arrian
Strongminded? Is that like stubborn?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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That sounds like a bit of a copout for those who don't test well. And thinking for yourself is all well and good, but what if your thoughts are based on crap (incomplete/incorrect facts)?
Mind you, I agree that some people are simply good test-takers but aren't really any smarter or better educated than some who are poor test takers.
Does that mean that all tests are useless? No. It means that test results are not the end-all be-all of education.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Or that they can figure out the type of thinking required for tests and apply it in that situation.Originally posted by Kidicious
No, not like stubborn. It means you can think for yourself. The people who do well on tests, only demonstrate that they can think like teacher tells them to think, not for themselves."The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
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Originally posted by Arrian
Stupid, uneducated people are the easiest to brainwash, you silly man.
There are very few stupid people in certain types of cults, actually. In fact, many of them are extremely smart. Brainwashing and manipulation play more on emotions than intellect.Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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This is simply not true. In the absence of any maturity, and ethical and aesthetic sensisibility, "smartness" becomes an absolute liability to both oneself and one's society. Smartness may be a necessary or somewhat necessary condition for "betterness", but it is certainly not sufficient.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Maybe that's because smarter is better for any reasonable definition of better.
The result of smartness without these other things is either a childish buffoon (like you) or a social menace.
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Sadly, he's right. Look at me.
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I mentioned education as well. I suppose "experience" needs to be specifically included in the category of education - smart people can be tricked, brainwashed, etc. I understand that.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Originally posted by Arrian
Stupid, uneducated people are the easiest to brainwash, you silly man.
There are very few stupid people in certain types of cults, actually. In fact, many of them are extremely smart. Brainwashing and manipulation play more on emotions than intellect.
The thread is about education, and I was arguing in favor of, um, trying to educate people (even dumb ones).
Which is easier to brainwash: the stupid, uneducated guy or the stupid, educated guy?
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I know a lot of smart people who seem brainwashed to me, because they are very materialistic. They don't really care about truth, only what they need to say to the right person to get material reward. A lot of these people do very well on tests, because they have that kind of focus.
That being said, if you can't learn well, like a lot of people, these days, it might be hard for someone to brainwash you, because you don't have the capacity for that, but you aren't going to be able to think too well for yourself either.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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