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  • #46
    Originally posted by chegitz guevara
    Chavez: some violence against opposition supporters (which may or may not have been ordered from the top), and threatening to maybe hold a refferendum on giving him the presidency for the next 25 years IF the opposition once again shows its contempt for demcoracy by boycotting the elections.
    Changed the constitution to have the power to dissolve the parliament by decree, limited the parliament's power, curtailed the media, interfered with the judiciary, interfered in the internal matters of the labour unions, packed the state oil company with cronies...

    Had Bush organized a referendum in 2002 (when his ratings were still sky-high) that would have abolished the senate and that would have given him the power to dissolve the house on a whim, you would have been screaming all over the place.
    Last edited by Colon™; May 8, 2006, 06:03.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Colon™


      You're asking the wrong question: how come that after all his ****s-ups and all his antics to the point of comparing himself with Jesus, he still nigh on won the election?
      Eh, comming from a country that reelected a guy like that, having a narrow loss seems a lot more normal
      "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
      -Joan Robinson

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Victor Galis
        I'm still on the fence about Hitler, it does seem he has popular support. Say what you will about his methods of generating said support, but is American politics really that different? (Well, the lots of money buying influence bit.) I'm not sure I like his policies that much though.
        Corrected.
        He's got the Midas touch.
        But he touched it too much!
        Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Oncle Boris
          ... but of course two wrongs don't make a right.
          But three lefts do.
          He's got the Midas touch.
          But he touched it too much!
          Hey Goldmember, Hey Goldmember!

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Sikander


            Corrected.
            I think my statement of opposition to his policies would have been a bit more strong if we were talking about Hitler.
            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
            -Joan Robinson

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Sikander
              Originally posted by Victor Galis
              I'm still on the fence about Hitler, it does seem he has popular support. Say what you will about his methods of generating said support, but is American politics really that different? (Well, the lots of money buying influence bit.) I'm not sure I like his policies that much though.


              Corrected Godwinized.
              Corrected.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Victor Galis
                I'm still on the fence about Chavez, it does seem he has popular support. Say what you will about his methods of generating said support, but is American politics really that different? (Well, the lots of money buying influence bit.) I'm not sure I like his policies that much though.

                Adolf Hitler had popular support.
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui


                  Wow... any lefties here to defend Chavez after this?
                  I support it without apologies.
                  I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                  - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by MrFun



                    Adolf Hitler had popular support.
                    So then maybe democracy isn't so good, eh? I'm pretty sure he didn't lose that support for awhile even after he did away with democratic institutions.
                    "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                    -Joan Robinson

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Kidicious
                      I support it without apologies.
                      That's because you are a nutjob.
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #56
                        I know you are, but what am I?
                        I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                        - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                          In other words, this is a ploy to force the opposition to particpate in the election, not an attempt to become El Jefe for life.

                          Once again, Oerdin jumps to conclusions and once again he is PWNED!!!!!
                          We shall see. The proof will be if Chavez actually steps down or if he once again alters the constitution to maintain his grip on power.
                          Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                          • #58
                            He does not alter the Constitution. He puts it to a referredum and the people of Venezuela change the Constitution in internationally monitored free and fair elections.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Colon™
                              Had Bush organized a referendum in 2002 (when his ratings were still sky-high) that would have abolished the senate and that would have given him the power to dissolve the house on a whim, you would have been screaming all over the place.
                              What have you got against democratic processes?
                              (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                              (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                              (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                              • #60
                                He does not alter the Constitution. He puts it to a referredum and the people of Venezuela change the Constitution in internationally monitored free and fair elections.
                                But the venezuelan's are obviously not intelligent enough to really know what they want now are they?
                                I mean, who'd, in their right mind, vote away their right to vote politicians away?

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