World Football Thread VIII - The beautiful game?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
how can you allow the goal to score AND give a yellow?


the ref had to give a red, its the last defender who was beaten who took down etoo to prevent a clear goalscoring oppertunity.

"I would have liked to have taken a few more seconds before I made a decision," Hauge told a Norwegian newspaper.

"If I'd done that, I could have given a goal and given a yellow card as well."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4993994.stm

[Lawrence of Arabia]

technically, hauge is right. no one disputes it.

[duke o' york]

Goal, playing the advantage, and then he should have given a red once the ball had gone out of play (into the net).
On what account was it only a yellow card?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Cause it wasn't an egregious enough foul. The red was given because it prevented a goal scoring oppertunity.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

im sorry, i cannot find in the laws how he can give a yellow AND a goal for that play.

if you play the advantage, then there is no foul. so theres a goal, and no card. if you dont play the advantage, then its a direct free kick and a red card.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Ask the ref, because that's what he said he should have done.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I'm bored, so let's talk about the World Cup. We've talked at length about England, so if anyone cares (and I doubt anyone does), I'll talk about the US.

Interesting lineup and kind of like the English there are too many good MF and not enough forwards, though not as a result of injury and questionable picks (though leaving on Twellman may be seen by some as questionable).

The key is Donovan. He has played forward with McBride and attacking center MF (his best position, IMO). The problem with him at AMC is who will play the second forward spot? Eddie Johnson is still recovering from injury and hasn't had the same explosiveness since he got hurt, but maybe Arena will get the best out of him as he has in the past. Wolff has done nothing special in qualifying and neither has Ching, though he is tearing it up in MLS, which doesn't necessarily mean anything.

So, if only McBride is ok, a 4-5-1 may make sense, but Arena does perfer a 4-4-2. So I thought about Donovan's role and realized that perhaps a kind of 'tweener' formation could be used, depending on where Donovan is at on the field (he'd be given a free role, of course).

So, I was thinking (Keller is in goal, obviously):

---------McBride
--------------------Donovan
---Beasley---------------------Dempsey
-----------Mastroeni---Reyna
--Lewis---Onyewu---Gibbs---Cherundolo

Convey can replace Beasley at a moment's notice. Bocanegra can spell Gibbs or even Lewis if need be. And if O'Brien is healthy (HA!), he can take over Dempsey's spot.

The alternative is:

--------McBride-----Johnson/Wolff
---------------Donovan
----Beasley----------------Dempsey
----------------Reyna
--Lewis--Onyewu--Gibbs--Cherundolo

If more defense is needed, Reyna takes over for Dempsey on the right wing and Masteroeni plays defensive mid.

The offense will go through Donovan in both formations and Beasley will have to be responsible for providing a spark as well (if he can't, Convey has proven himself able). The defense is led by Onweyu, who is the best center back the US has ever produced (may be damning with faint praise, but Eddie Pope was pretty decent). Masteroni may be needed during the Italy game, and may require Reyna to play on the right (in a strict 4-4-2 diamond), but Dempsey should show in the other matches.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
im sorry, i cannot find in the laws how he can give a yellow AND a goal for that play.

if you play the advantage, then there is no foul. so theres a goal, and no card. if you dont play the advantage, then its a direct free kick and a red card.

I've seen several instances of where players have been given yellow cards, despite the advantage being played. It's usually attributed to misconduct rather than the actual foul.

[alva]

Arsenal rejoice!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/arsenal/4996270.stm

[Colon™]

New corruption scandel breaks out in the Netherlands. Investigations into other major teams in Italy beside Juve...

[alva]

Pffft...copycats, go find something original!!!

[reds4ever]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
im sorry, i cannot find in the laws how he can give a yellow AND a goal for that play.

if you play the advantage, then there is no foul. so theres a goal, and no card. if you dont play the advantage, then its a direct free kick and a red card.

No thats completely wrong, a ref can allow an advantage and then go back (irrespective of how the advantage turns out) and give out red/yellow cards for the original foul.

The advantage is awarded to the team that is fouled against to see if they can make something out of the situation. It is not awarded so that the guilty party can escape punishment.

[alva]

It's pretty sad to see how Blatter jumped at the refs case. Ok, he made a mistake but who wouldn't in his position.

[reds4ever]

I couldn't believe what Blatter said, what a w@nker. The ref had a split second to make his decision, Blatters looked at the tape at his leisure.

[Lawrence of Arabia]

what do you expect? blatter is from the haut valais (oberwallis), no one outside of that area understands what he says in swiss german anyways, so then hes gotta talk in his accented german which is a bust too.


lets get this prediction stuff going.