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  • #46
    Originally posted by notyoueither


    I'd say a large chunk of Manhattan being destroyed is a pressing concern.

    I'd say bombs on Madrid trains are a pressing concern.

    I'd say bombs on London subways and buses are a pressing concern.

    I'd say sarin gas in Tokyo is a pressing concern.

    I'd say...
    And you'd be wrong.

    More people die from other stuff that we would do better to throw money at.

    Don't blame me because you're a victim of the supposedly liberal media.
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    • #47
      BOMBS OVER BAHGDAD!!!!!!!!
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      • #48
        how s that libera media??? it hapend just like cancer or aids or whatver disease you want to add. Its al reprted one way or the other
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        • #49
          I'd say IRA funding coming from middle class America is/was a pressing concern.

          I'd say Hamas funding coming from all over the West is a concern.

          I'd say that Tamil funding coming from emigrant communities in Canada, the US, and Britain is a concern.

          Just because you, personally, have not been blown up, yet, does not mean that such things are not a very large deal to people who live in different circumstances.

          Who knows, perhaps having blocks of a major city blown up simply really pissed the Yanks off.
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          • #50
            Aggie, why don't you explain to us how the mindset that civies are good targets played out in Bosnia, and is right now in Darfur?

            How few are those deaths in your accounting for your lack of personal inconvenience to this point?
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            • #51
              Originally posted by notyoueither

              I'd say that Tamil funding coming from emigrant communities in Canada, the US, and Britain is a concern.
              More of a concern than a real war, or more of a concern than an epidemic that is wiping out millions.

              Terrorists are generally putzes. Al Qaeda got lucky once, but have since reverted to the same low intensity crap.

              You are more likely to be hit by a car.

              Or are you saying that isn't true NYE? Are you more likely to be a victim of terrorism than to be hit by a car?
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              • #52
                Originally posted by notyoueither
                Aggie, why don't you explain to us how the mindset that civies are good targets played out in Bosnia, and is right now in Darfur?

                How few are those deaths in your accounting for your lack of personal inconvenience to this point?
                And why don't you read the initial article? Neither of those has anything to do with terrorism unless you want to artificially inflate the numbers.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Agathon


                  More of a concern than a real war, or more of a concern than an epidemic that is wiping out millions.
                  I think it would be more of a concern if you were now in Sri Lanka.

                  What's a matter, Aggie? It's only serious if your family are being slaughtered?
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Agathon


                    And why don't you read the initial article? Neither of those has anything to do with terrorism unless you want to artificially inflate the numbers.
                    The mindset has everything to do with terrorism.

                    We've already seen what happens when terrorists run a state.

                    NATO is busy cleaning up the mess in Afghanistan as we speak.

                    What is the difference between Khadafi blowing up a plane over Scotland and Osama's friends in Khartoum wiping out entire populations other than scale?
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                    • #55
                      I find it odd that "terrorism" as a method is such a large concern. Terrorism is not something that can be eliminated; the only people I expect to talk seriously about eradicating terror once and for all are Miss World candidates who advocate for "world peace."

                      Clearly, terrorist attacks by certain groups are a serious concern - 9/11 may have caused many fewer deaths than AIDS, but foreign organizations purposefully murdering people is a concern no matter how you stretch it. Personally, I refuse to believe that politics is so zero-sum that one must choose what kills the greatest number of people and focus only on that; the fact that AIDS is an enormous problem, and a much greater problem in my mind than al-Qaeda, does not make the need to defend against such organizations any less pressing.

                      But terrorism as a method, compared to AIDS? It's even more hopeless than the War on Drugs. If our objective is to eradicate terrorism, then we'd best give up now - or, if we're really serious about it, analyze what it is that causes people to want to commit acts of terrorism against us and work from there.

                      As far as the original point of this thread, those numbers seem totally meaningless to me; a person's cause of death is not "terrorism," it is "murder." Terrorism simply describes the method of and meaning behind that murder, and as such it's impossbile to concretely say in all cases what is terrorism and what is not. Many countries cannot agree on what it means; the State Department's definition is very different from the UN's. What is terrorism to us is not terrorism to, say, some Iraqis. What is significant is the number of casualties we have caused in this war - both our own and the others we have killed, and those the insurgents and terrorists have killed. That is the human price that is important, and exactly what nobody seems to want to talk about. How much safety have we bought, and at what price?
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by notyoueither

                        I think it would be more of a concern if you were now in Sri Lanka.
                        I didn't know you were from Sri Lanka.

                        AIDS is more of a global concern.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Agathon


                          I didn't know you were from Sri Lanka.

                          AIDS is more of a global concern.
                          Which is a vacuous statement.

                          Cold weather is a concern, to Siberians.
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                          • #58
                            Personally, I refuse to believe that politics is so zero-sum that one must choose what kills the greatest number of people and focus only on that; the fact that AIDS is an enormous problem, and a much greater problem in my mind than al-Qaeda, does not make the need to defend against such organizations any less pressing.


                            I'n not saying that.

                            What I am saying is that we should be realistic about the severity of threats and modify our response accordingly. Much is being made over terrorism, which is a minor problem, even in western societies.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski
                              One thought and thats it!!! Does it really matter how many are killed??? Does anyone here really give a dam?? And for that matter who the hell else has stood up to fight terriosm??? I guess the us is the big bad asses on the play ground that said **** it i am not gonna put up with this crap anymore... So what does anyone have to say what happens in another country??? Well Id say the us does since these countries, all of them have come to us for a freaking loan for billions of dollars to survive.
                              with all that being said i say, one death was one to many because of terrisom if ya dont agree who cares!!!
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                              • #60
                                for Cyclotron.

                                Terrorism is a form of political violence - just like war. You can't end terrorism anymore than you can end war. Its funny seeing those with power tyring to abolish a method of violence by the weak through their own more destructive method of violence.

                                If you want to deligitimize political violence, you don;t do it through more political violence. Now, if all you really want to do id crush a specific group, then more political violence is fine, but the message you put out better match your intentions.
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