A question for Communists

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
However, if you throw in things such as maximising the bottom line by squeezing the workers, you start seeing different opinions.

That's a role added on by the class nature of property relations. In a classless, propertyless society, squeezing the workers would be uncessessary.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
In a classless, propertyless society, squeezing the workers would be uncessessary.

That's too bad.

[Velociryx]

That's a role added on by the class nature of property relations. In a classless, propertyless society, squeezing the workers would be uncessessary.

Agreed. Cos the State would be doing all the squeezing.

-=Vel=-

[Elok]

Che: We're reading "Writings of the Young Marx on Philosophy and Society," edited by Easton and Guddat. It includes selections from "The German Ideology" and "Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)," which are the sections we focus on. I don't know if the latter was published under that name, but that's the name given it in the book. We especially look at the section on Alienated Labor. Also my Prof's book, "Marx, Reason, and the Art of Freedom." It hasn't had many copies published, but it sums up his argument regarding Marx's perspective on what it is for humans to realize their full potential in praxis and suchlike.

Agathon: The professor is a jolly, good-natured old guy who looks and sounds eerily like the late actor James Coburn, except he wears a leather headband. He's extremely idealistic and talks softly about non-exploitative social alternatives and such. He does seem to know his stuff, as far as my limited ability to discern such things go; at least, his writing style is about as dense and illucid as Marx's, which seems to be the main qualification for writing philosophy.

The course itself is an odd conjunction, but it is valuable to me at least insofar as it gave me a reason to read Nietzsche and Marx for once. Any course which helps me to understand Nietzsche as something other than a nihilistic jackass (my former opinion of him) is a valuable experience IMO.

[Son of David]

'Communists' are almost always rich, middle class European-descended people who are also the most elitist, people-hating, misanthropic, atheistic, self-seeking, narcissistic, obnoxious twits you could hope to encounter.

Why is that?

[Arrian]

but Managers are, in major corporations, removed form the work itself- they don't really coordinate anything- the shop stewards and people on the factory floor would. Managers sit in offices reading paperwork prepared for them by people lower on the totem pole and so forth. Certainly they are crucial to making a large industrial enterprise work, but they ARE divorced form the actual work of production.

What about companies where the "production" is paperwork?! Say... an insurance company. First off: set aside the usual "insurance companies are evil, throw rocks at them" thing. Look at the management angle.

I am a worker, or at the very least I'm *not* a manager. What do I produce? Paper (or, more exactly, words). What does my boss do? She manages a bunch of us (performance reviews, etc) and reviews the paper we create. She's not divorced from the production of the paper... she's got a hand in it.

Besides that... I think any intelligent commie would have to concede that some sort of manager (or "coordinator") is necessary. The questions would be how to pick 'em, police 'em, and the extent of their powers. I tend to think this is the hardest thing about communism, b/c the managers, however they're picked, are gonna become the elite somehow (this would be where "policing" them would somehow come into play, I guess).

-Arrian

[Arrian]

Originally posted by Son of David
'Communists' are almost always rich, middle class European-descended people who are also the most elitist, people-hating, misanthropic, atheistic, self-seeking, narcissistic, obnoxious twits you could hope to encounter.

Why is that?

Sons of David are almost always full of ****. Why is that?

-Arrian

[Barnabas]

I live in a third world country and it is true that communists tend to be middle class/high middle class people.

The working class votes for for some local nationalist/populist party, not for commies.

[Arrian]

Ok, that speaks to the first couple of things he mentioned. He then reeled off a bunch of insults.

I'm no commie, btw.

-Arrian

[Barnabas]

I haver another question for communists

In your ideal communist country, with you as president, would there be freedom of religion?

[Agathon]

Son of David = SOD.

What else would you need to determine that this is a Horsie troll?

[Son of David]

Originally posted by Agathon
Son of David = SOD.

What else would you need to determine that this is a Horsie troll?

Oops! I hit a nerve.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
I haver another question for communists

In your ideal communist country, with you as president, would there be freedom of religion?

Yes

[Odin]

I don't see a problem with managers. The employees (of a larger business) elects a board of directors, and the board of directors/small business employees hire the managers.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
I haver another question for communists

In your ideal communist country, with you as president, would there be freedom of religion?

Yes, as long as you can be communist without being Marxist.